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Re: Restructuring the "available data" section (s)

From: ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@kent.edu>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:21:37 -0400
To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CA754436.DFBA%mzeng@kent.edu>
Hi, Jodi and Antoine,
Thanks Jodi for looking at this part from a different view.  I agree with
Antoine that both sections there are important and maybe the very focused
areas for those who are in the implementation positions.
Jodi suggested to have a short introduction to tie these two together.
Maybe that can be done. How do you think, Antoine? Just a short
introduction (one or two sentences to say that in this part we introduce
an inventory of vocabularies and datasets based on their availability, and
also summarize the linking issues which pertain to different levels of
semantic connections (alignments) of vocabularies and datasets).
BTW, the order of the bullet list used in the side deliverable is
reversed: Datasets, Value Vocabularies and Metadata Element Sets.

Marcia

On 8/20/11 10:55 AM, "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:

>Hi Jodi,
>
>OK, I see the issue. Indeed the appendix on available data is a bit
>unbalanced now, as it results from putting aside two things that were in
>one bigger section before (together with the bits on "data availability"
>that are in the "current situation" now):
>- a brief presentation of the report
>- more details on the issue of semantic connections (alignments).
>
>I can't really think of a way to introduce them in an elegant way. These
>are basically left-overs, but left-overs that are important, and refered
>to from the main report body. I hope readers will access them from that
>main report that cites them. I also count on the fact that readers would
>be less demanding, for a more technical appendix.
>
>And I'd be reluctant to remove them. It's good to have a teaser for the
>side deliverable on data. And the part on alignment issues is quite
>important. In fact via the blog comments we've been asked to write even
>more on it...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Antoine
>
>
>> Thanks, Antoine! I think that's really nice!
>>
>> I think I was mainly confused because there are two subsubsections
>>there, under the heading "Available Vocabularies and Datasets":
>> -An inventory of existing library linked data resources
>> -The linking issue
>> Are these two subsections part of some larger whole? If so *that*, to
>>me, is what requires an introduction (i.e. explaining the larger whole).
>>Alternately, perhaps they are each subsections, and we can get rid of
>>the heading "Available Vocabularies and Datasets"?
>>
>> -Jodi
>>
>> On 19 Aug 2011, at 22:02, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jodi,
>>>
>>> I feel there was already a kind of introduction in the section you're
>>>pointing at. Anyway, as it was missing some of your point, I've
>>>extended it: the result can be seen at
>>> 
>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Vocabula
>>>ries_Datasets_Section2&diff=5795&oldid=5777
>>> I hope it is better now!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Antoine -- sorry I wasn't clear.
>>>>
>>>> It's here:
>>>> 
>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#A
>>>>vailable_Vocabularies_and_Datasets
>>>> (aka this section:
>>>> 
>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S
>>>>ection2 )
>>>>
>>>> The inventory isn't introduced. I think it would help to explain why
>>>>it's important and why people should read it.
>>>>
>>>> :) -Jodi
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 23:30, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jodi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback! I think these are good ideas to take
>>>>>onboard, but as the material on available data has changed quite a
>>>>>lot in the past weeks, I'd like to be sure for which part, you'd
>>>>>suggest this introductory paragraph :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> - the "Data availability" sub-section (in "current situation") of
>>>>>the main report
>>>>> 
>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#
>>>>>Data_availability
>>>>> has a small introduction
>>>>> [
>>>>> The success of linked library data relies on the ability of its
>>>>>practitioners to identify, re-use or connect to existing datasets and
>>>>>data models. Linked datasets and vocabularies that are essential in
>>>>>the library and related domains, however, have previously been
>>>>>unknown or unfamiliar to many. The LLD XG has thus initiated an
>>>>>inventory of available library-related linked data, which is
>>>>>presented in further detail in Section @@TODO@@ and has lead to the
>>>>>observations below.
>>>>> ]
>>>>>
>>>>> - the "Available Vocabularies and Datasets" technical section at the
>>>>>end of the main report
>>>>> 
>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#
>>>>>Available_Vocabularies_and_Datasets
>>>>> also has stuff presenting the inventory
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that both may not address all your points. But together they
>>>>>already give a lot. If I'm to adapt one of them, which one would you
>>>>>recommend?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Antoine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Antoine! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be useful to add an introductory paragraph to the
>>>>>>inventory, giving a motivation for providing it. Motivations might
>>>>>>include
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -having a convenient place for librarians to become more familiar
>>>>>>with key vocabularies
>>>>>> --due to general lack of familiarity
>>>>>> --due to the importance of reusing vocabularies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -showing the adoption of semweb and the maturity of existing
>>>>>>vocabularies
>>>>>> --there are many areas with mature vocabularies
>>>>>> --there are other areas where libraries could participate in the
>>>>>>innovation if they desire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe there are other reasons? The intro would help clarify the
>>>>>>importance of this section in the whole report, as well as indicate
>>>>>>the appropriate audience for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jodi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 Aug 2011, at 23:23, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the last telecon it was agreed that the former "available data"
>>>>>>>section [1] could live in the final report, on the condition that
>>>>>>>it is split in two parts:
>>>>>>> - one fitting the new "current situation" section [2]
>>>>>>> - the other being put at the end of the report, to give more
>>>>>>>details [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To address complains about the length of the proposed sub-section
>>>>>>>for "current situation", I've tried to shorten it, and put some of
>>>>>>>the material in the separate section at the end [5]. I've also
>>>>>>>created a small intro in the "current situation" sub-section, which
>>>>>>>refers to our survey and the appendix section.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feedback is much welcome. The paragraphs are still the longest
>>>>>>>ones in the "current situation" section, but I do hope they fit
>>>>>>>better now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antoine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] 
>>>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Voca
>>>>>>>bularies_Datasets_Section&oldid=5672
>>>>>>> [2] 
>>>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusio
>>>>>>>n-Multiple_Reports#Data_availability
>>>>>>> [3] 
>>>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusio
>>>>>>>n-Multiple_Reports#Available_Vocabularies_and_Datasets
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>[4]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_V
>>>>>>>ocabularies_Datasets_As_Current_Situation&diff=5753&oldid=5670
>>>>>>> [5] 
>>>>>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Voca
>>>>>>>bularies_Datasets_Section2&diff=5754&oldid=5710
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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