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RE: Issue 8164: proposal

From: Ram Jeyaraman <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:48:57 +0000
To: "Chou, Wu (Wu)" <wuchou@avaya.com>, "public-ws-resource-access@w3.org" <public-ws-resource-access@w3.org>
CC: Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AB5C4@TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Sounds good. Thanks.

From: Chou, Wu (Wu) [mailto:wuchou@avaya.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:13 AM
To: Ram Jeyaraman; public-ws-resource-access@w3.org
Cc: Doug Davis
Subject: RE: Issue 8164: proposal

Ram,

In normal condition, the SubscriptionEnd event will never occur, and in abnormal condition, it can only happen once. Therefore EndTo is a very special event sink.

We are O.K. with adding only the first sentence to the spec as in Doug's proposal, i.e. "A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable endpoints.". But we should include the second sentence "Note ..." in the future WS-RA Primer.

Thanks,

- Wu Chou.

RE: Issue 8164: proposal

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From: Ram Jeyaraman <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com<mailto:Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Issue%208164%3A%20proposal&In-Reply-To=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E&References=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E>>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:35:17 +0000
To: Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com<mailto:dug@us.ibm.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Issue%208164%3A%20proposal&In-Reply-To=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E&References=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E>>, "Chou, Wu (Wu)" <wuchou@avaya.com<mailto:wuchou@avaya.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Issue%208164%3A%20proposal&In-Reply-To=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E&References=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E>>
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My preference is to drop the sentence since it is a restatement of a valid implementation choice/behavior.



Wu: Is there a reason why you prefer to have this sentence?



Thanks.



From: Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com<mailto:dug@us.ibm.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Issue%208164%3A%20proposal&In-Reply-To=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E&References=%253C503546C5699C1144BDEA0D0DFFE7F881181AA424%40TK5EX14MBXC119.redmond.corp.microsoft.com%253E>]

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:00 PM

To: Ram Jeyaraman

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Subject: RE: Issue 8164: proposal





The 2nd sentence was added to try to address Wu's concerns that he mentioned during the call yesterday.  What if we soften it a bit by removing the normative words:

Note: as an optimization, a subscriber might want to consider using the same WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs to allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.



thanks

-Doug

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12/09/2009 06:36 PM



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RE: Issue 8164: proposal



>  A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable endpoints.



This looks good.



>  Note: as an optimization, a subscriber SHOULD consider using the same WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs to allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.



Since there are valid situations that may require using different WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URIs in the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs, the specification need not restrict the usage. Hence, I suggest deleting this sentence.



Thanks.



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Subject: Issue 8164: proposal





(resending w/o extra stuff)



Proposal:

change:

A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications to non-addressable endpoints.

to:

A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable endpoints. Note: as an optimization, a subscriber SHOULD consider using the same WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs to allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.



thanks

-Doug

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