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RE: Issue 8164: proposal

From: Chou, Wu (Wu) <wuchou@avaya.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:12:35 -0500
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To: "Ram Jeyaraman" <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com>, <public-ws-resource-access@w3.org>
Cc: "Doug Davis" <dug@us.ibm.com>
Ram,
 
In normal condition, the SubscriptionEnd event will never occur, and in
abnormal condition, it can only happen once. Therefore EndTo is a very
special event sink.
 
We are O.K. with adding only the first sentence to the spec as in Doug's
proposal, i.e. "A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms,
such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of
notifications and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable
endpoints.". But we should include the second sentence "Note ..." in the
future WS-RA Primer.
 
Thanks,
 
- Wu Chou.


RE: Issue 8164: proposal


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From: Ram Jeyaraman <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:35:17 +0000
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My preference is to drop the sentence since it is a restatement of a
valid implementation choice/behavior.

Wu: Is there a reason why you prefer to have this sentence?

Thanks.

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Subject: RE: Issue 8164: proposal


The 2nd sentence was added to try to address Wu's concerns that he
mentioned during the call yesterday.  What if we soften it a bit by
removing the normative words:
Note: as an optimization, a subscriber might want to consider using the
same WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs
to allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either
notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.

thanks
-Doug
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12/09/2009 06:36 PM

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Subject

RE: Issue 8164: proposal

>  A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the
[WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications
and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable endpoints.

This looks good.

>  Note: as an optimization, a subscriber SHOULD consider using the same
WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs to
allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either
notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.

Since there are valid situations that may require using different
WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URIs in the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs, the
specification need not restrict the usage. Hence, I suggest deleting
this sentence.

Thanks.

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Subject: Issue 8164: proposal


(resending w/o extra stuff)

Proposal:
change:
A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the
[WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications
to non-addressable endpoints.
to:
A subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the
[WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of notifications
and the SubscriptionEnd message to non-addressable endpoints. Note: as
an optimization, a subscriber SHOULD consider using the same
WS-MakeConnection Anonymous URI in both the NotifyTo and EndTo EPRs to
allow the same MakeConnection message to be used to transmit either
notifications or a SubscriptionEnd message.

thanks
-Doug
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