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RE: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For Approval as Public WD

From: Yalcinalp, Umit <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:03:47 -0700
Message-ID: <2BA6015847F82645A9BB31C7F9D64165024DDE26@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
To: "Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Prasad Yendluri" <prasad.yendluri@webmethods.com>, <public-ws-policy@w3.org>, <public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org>
I disagree that there is a document that is ready to go and I disagree
with the principles as they do not cover overlapping concerns which the
wg decided to address. 
 
To be specific, the presence of Section 4.4 "Guidelines for Designing
Assertions" is counter productive and sets a precedence that is hard to
eradicate. If this section is moved to the guidelines document as it
title also indicates, I would not be objecting and leave the issues that
are to be filed to the issue resolution process. 
 
HTH,
 
--umit
 


________________________________

	From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 5:53 PM
	To: Yalcinalp, Umit; Christopher B Ferris
	Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org;
public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org
	Subject: RE: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer -
For Approval as Public WD
	
	

	> It is essential to separate the content that is appropriate
for the authors guideline document from the the primer target before the
document becomes a PD.

	 

	I see no reason why we should hold up publication of the first
WD of the Primer.  The F2F meeting agreed to publish both a Primer and a
Guidelines document and we can work on eliminating problematic overlap
if that is what the WG decides to do.  

	 

	As I said at the first F2F:

	 

	1. "Publish early, publish often".  AND

	2. "The WG does not have to have complete agreement on the
content of a public WD - we just need to agree that it is time to
publish a WD."

	 

	In this case we have a document ready to go and given the above
principles I think we should make it public.

	 

	/paulc

	Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
	17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
	Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
	mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com
	
	
	
	

	
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	From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yalcinalp, Umit
	Sent: October 3, 2006 8:32 PM
	To: Christopher B Ferris; Paul Cotton
	Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org;
public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org; public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org
	Subject: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For
Approval as Public WD

	 

	I am afraid I have to disagree. 

	 

	Maryann and I did a sweep on the document, there are some
aspects that should be resolved before we can go ahead and publish it as
a public WD. We have not had the chance to file them yet. It is
essential to separate the content that is appropriate for the authors
guideline document from the the primer target before the document
becomes a PD. It is essential to separate out the sections specifically
geared to authors guidelines and follow the wg's decision on targeting
two different audiences.  Of course, we are not going to be addressing
all the issues before the document becomes a public draft, but once that
major separation is done, the remaining detailed issues can be addressed
on the public wd. 

	 

	We are working on to create the issues that should be resolved
in order to go forward with both documents. Therefore, I oppose making
the primer a public draft as it stands today. 

	 

	Thanks. 

	 

	--umit

		 

		
________________________________


		From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christopher B
Ferris
		Sent: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 2:31 PM
		To: Paul Cotton
		Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org;
public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org; public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org
		Subject: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5
Primer - For Approval as Public WD

		
		+1 
		
		Christopher Ferris
		STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
		email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
		blog:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
		phone: +1 508 377 9295 
		
		public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org wrote on 10/02/2006
01:40:41 PM:
		
		> I have reviewed this Editor's Draft of the WS-Policy
Primer and 
		> think it is ready to be published as a public WD. 
		>   
		> /paulc 
		>   
		> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
		> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
		> Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
		> mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com
		> 
		> 
		
		> 
		> From: public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-ws-policy-
		> eds-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Prasad Yendluri
		> Sent: September 30, 2006 2:15 PM
		> To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
		> Cc: public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org
		> Subject: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer
- For 
		> Approval as P ublic WD 
		>   
		> Folks, 
		>   
		> The updated Editors Draft of the WS-Policy 1.5 Primer
Document is 
		> available at the following links: 
		>   
		>
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-primer.
		> html?rev=1.16 
		> http://tinyuri.com/egm3 (server seems down currently) 
		>   
		> This version addresses all comments from Paul Cotton
(http://lists.
		>
w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0165.html) 
		>   
		> This document is being submitted to the Work Group for
approval as aPublic WD. 
		>   
		> Regards, 
		>   
		> WS-Policy Editing Team
Received on Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:58:59 GMT

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