RE: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For Approval as Public WD

I agree with Umit that it would be best, at a minimum, to remove the 
Section "Guidelines" from the Primer and put it in the Guidelines document 
to begin to  address the overlaps between the two documents.  When I 
presented the Guidelines at the F2F, I cited areas where we could converge 
the two documents but since we decided to have 2 documents, we need to 
address the reverse, the places where the documents overlap in content. 
Although the working group agreed to publish both documents, I don't 
believe the working group agreed to any specific time frame.

Maryann





"Yalcinalp, Umit" <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com> 
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10/03/2006 09:03 PM

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"Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Christopher B 
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RE: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For Approval as 
Public  WD






I disagree that there is a document that is ready to go and I disagree 
with the principles as they do not cover overlapping concerns which the wg 
decided to address. 
 
To be specific, the presence of Section 4.4 "Guidelines for Designing 
Assertions" is counter productive and sets a precedence that is hard to 
eradicate. If this section is moved to the guidelines document as it title 
also indicates, I would not be objecting and leave the issues that are to 
be filed to the issue resolution process. 
 
HTH,
 
--umit
 

From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 5:53 PM
To: Yalcinalp, Umit; Christopher B Ferris
Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org; public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org
Subject: RE: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For 
Approval as Public WD

> It is essential to separate the content that is appropriate for the 
authors guideline document from the the primer target before the document 
becomes a PD.
 
I see no reason why we should hold up publication of the first WD of the 
Primer.  The F2F meeting agreed to publish both a Primer and a Guidelines 
document and we can work on eliminating problematic overlap if that is 
what the WG decides to do. 
 
As I said at the first F2F:
 
1. “Publish early, publish often”.  AND
2. “The WG does not have to have complete agreement on the content of a 
public WD – we just need to agree that it is time to publish a WD.”
 
In this case we have a document ready to go and given the above principles 
I think we should make it public.
 
/paulc
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com




From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org 
[mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yalcinalp, Umit
Sent: October 3, 2006 8:32 PM
To: Christopher B Ferris; Paul Cotton
Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org; public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org; 
public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org
Subject: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For Approval 
as Public WD
 
I am afraid I have to disagree. 
 
Maryann and I did a sweep on the document, there are some aspects that 
should be resolved before we can go ahead and publish it as a public WD. 
We have not had the chance to file them yet. It is essential to separate 
the content that is appropriate for the authors guideline document from 
the the primer target before the document becomes a PD. It is essential to 
separate out the sections specifically geared to authors guidelines and 
follow the wg's decision on targeting two different audiences.  Of course, 
we are not going to be addressing all the issues before the document 
becomes a public draft, but once that major separation is done, the 
remaining detailed issues can be addressed on the public wd. 
 
We are working on to create the issues that should be resolved in order to 
go forward with both documents. Therefore, I oppose making the primer a 
public draft as it stands today. 
 
Thanks. 
 
--umit
 

From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org 
[mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christopher B Ferris
Sent: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 2:31 PM
To: Paul Cotton
Cc: Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy@w3.org; public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org; 
public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org
Subject: RE: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For Approval 
as Public WD

+1 

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris

phone: +1 508 377 9295 

public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org wrote on 10/02/2006 01:40:41 PM:

> I have reviewed this Editor’s Draft of the WS-Policy Primer and 
> think it is ready to be published as a public WD. 
>   
> /paulc 
>   
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com
> 
> 

> 
> From: public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy-
> eds-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Prasad Yendluri
> Sent: September 30, 2006 2:15 PM
> To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
> Cc: public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org
> Subject: Updated Editors Draft of WS-Policy 1.5 Primer - For 
> Approval as P ublic WD 
>   
> Folks, 
>   
> The updated Editors Draft of the WS-Policy 1.5 Primer Document is 
> available at the following links: 
>   
> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-primer.

> html?rev=1.16 
> http://tinyuri.com/egm3 (server seems down currently) 
>   
> This version addresses all comments from Paul Cotton (http://lists.

> w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0165.html) 
>   
> This document is being submitted to the Work Group for approval as 
aPublic WD. 
>   
> Regards, 
>   
> WS-Policy Editing Team