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RE: Issue 3557 (was ACTION 53

From: Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:01:19 -0700
To: "Asir Vedamuthu" <asirveda@microsoft.com>
CC: "Yalcinalp, Umit" <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com>, "public-ws-policy@w3.org" <public-ws-policy@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20060830110119855.00000000972@amalhotr-pc>

Asir:
You seem to be mixing up this issue, which requests a small explanatory
para re the use of domain expressions, with issue 3559 which proposes
a URI structure for WSDL 1.1 and other message definition capabilities.

Specifically, there is no need to discuss the structure of domain expression
or whether it is a URI wrapped in an XML element.  Nor is there any need to
discuss JMS here.  That answers your questions.  

As I said before:

All we are asking is that there be a few more words to clarify the use of domain expressions.  For example:

Domain Expressions are used to identify components and message definitions with which a Policy can be associated.  For example, Domain Expressions may be used to refer to WSDL 1.1 definitions, WSDL 2.0 components or endpoint references.  For example ...

Editors, please add non-trivial example of use of Domain Expression

All the best, Ashok
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Asir Vedamuthu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:33 PM
> To: Ashok Malhotra
> Cc: Yalcinalp, Umit; public-ws-policy@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue 3557 (was ACTION 53
> 
> 
> Hi Ashok,
> 
> The following is your proposal in issue 3557:
> 
> "The external Policy Attachment mechanism uses a 
> PolicyAttachment element to associate a Policy with a Policy 
> Subject.  URI References to policy subjects may include WSDL 
> component references, (see Appendix to the WSDL 2.0 spec for 
> URI structures to refer to WSFL 2.0 contsructs), endpoint 
> references and other domain specific configurations and 
> protocol constructs, such as URIs used to designate JMS queues.
> This needs to be clarified in the PolicyAttachment document." -
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3557#c1 
> 
> 
> I looked through your examples at [1].  All the examples are 
> URI references. That is, a URI reference is used to designate 
> a construct.
> Section 3.4 says that domain expressions are XML elements and 
> not URI References ('Domain expressions are XML elements that 
> describe policy subjects within a policy scope' [2] and 
> '<x:DomainExpression/> +').
> Perhaps, you weren't aware of it or were thinking of using a 
> wrapper XML element to capture a URI reference (or some other 
> mechanism).
> 
> Is a JMS queue URI reference [3] a Web Service Policy 
> Subject? What are the policy subjects and policy scopes for 
> WSDL component references (or fragment identifiers)? How 
> would requestors compute effective policies for each of these 
> policy subjects?
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0019.html
> [2]
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-ws-policy-attach-20060731/#Extern
> alPolicyAt
> tachment
> [3] Example from Ashok - jms://example.com:7115/quoteQCF/LoanFlowQueue
>  
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jul/0
> 019.html 
> 
> Regards,
>  
> Asir S Vedamuthu
> Microsoft Corporation
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:21 PM
> To: Asir Vedamuthu; Yalcinalp, Umit; public-ws-policy@w3.org
> Subject: RE: ACTION 53
> 
> Look at bugs 3557 and 3599 in bugzilla.
> 
> All the best, Ashok
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Asir Vedamuthu [mailto:asirveda@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:06 PM
> > To: Yalcinalp, Umit; Ashok Malhotra; public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: ACTION 53
> > 
> > > Please see the proposed text.
> > 
> > Where is the proposed text? (I'll appreciate if you could 
> send it to 
> > the mailing list). What is the proposed location for the proposed 
> > text?
> > 
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Asir S Vedamuthu
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of 
> Yalcinalp, Umit
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:58 PM
> > To: Ashok Malhotra; public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: ACTION 53
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org 
> > > [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of 
> Ashok Malhotra
> > > Sent: Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 6:20 AM
> > > To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > > Subject: ACTION 53
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In response to ACTION 53 I have added a comment to Bug 3557 and 
> > > created a new bug 3599.
> > > 
> > > All the best, Ashok
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Just to add Ashok's note, we have discussed and decided to 
> address two 
> > separate issues with respect to bug 3557 that results in this 
> > partitioning. This partitioning completes our action item 
> [Action53].
> > 
> > (a) We propose to add the text in Ashok's text added in Bug
> > 3557 to illustrate examples of external references to 
> policy subjects 
> > [3557].
> > Please see the proposed text. 
> >   
> > (b) We proposed a new bug to address the usage of URIs to WSDL 1.1 
> > components in this context. [3599]
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > --umit
> > 
> > [Action53] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/53
> > [3599] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3599
> > [3557] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3557
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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