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RE: Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement

From: Yaron Y. Goland <ygoland@bea.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:54:42 -0700
To: <Daniel_Austin@grainger.com>, <arkin@intalio.com>
Cc: <david.burdett@commerceone.com>, <jjd@eigner.com>, <public-ws-chor@w3.org>, <public-ws-chor-request@w3.org>
Message-ID: <GMEOJGJFKALPDCNPFMDOOELDDBAA.ygoland@bea.com>

I'm not sure which part of the charter you are referring to. Do you mean
section 2.2? Since WSDL is not a programming language I'm not sure how that
section would apply to Asaf's comments.

		Yaron

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> Subject: Re: Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement
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> Hi Assaf,
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>       i disagree with your statement below, simply because our charter
> specifically says that we will *not* create bindings to any specific
> language. Thus it is out of scope for us to develop bindings for
> WSDL, etc.
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> Regards,
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> D-
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>                       "Assaf Arkin"
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>                       <arkin@intalio.com        To:
> "Burdett, David" <david.burdett@commerceone.com>
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> "'Jean-Jacques Dubray'" <jjd@eigner.com>, Daniel_Austin@grainger.com,
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>                       public-ws-chor-req        Subject:  Re:
> Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement
>                       uest@w3.org
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>                       05/12/2003 06:06
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>                       PM
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> My take on this:
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> In reviewing other specifications in this space including security (the
> WS-Security stack, SAML, etc), coordination (WS-TX and BTP), reliable
> messaging (WS-RM(1) and WS-RM(2)) and even not yet discussed
> specifications such as WS-Policy, WS-Addressing, management specs, etc,
> they all seem to be recommend that we write choreographies using WSDL
> operations.
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> These specification will either add additional dimensions by referencing
> the same WSDL operation we reference, or by being part of the protocol
> binding used by that WSDL operation (in effect also referencing them)
> when it comes time to actually exchange messages.
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> So clearly the way to go is to write a choroegraphy definition by
> referencing WSDL operations. Then you get everything else that works
> with WSDL for free, including stuff that's available now and specs we
> anticipate will be standardized in the near future.
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> Of course this only works with that list of specifications and relates
> specifications that are part of the WS stack. The question then becomes,
> are there other specifications we want to support that work in different
> ways indicating that we need to keep our options open?
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> arkin
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> Burdett, David wrote:
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> >I find myself agreeing with JJ again when he says ...
> >
> >[JJ] yes, one of the value of the spec could be to offer a binding to
> >WSDL but remain open to other bindings.
> >
> >I think this is an important principle if only because, as bindings
> evolve,
> >which they surely will to support security, reliability etc,
> then only our
> >binding will need to change, the main spec, hopefull, should not need to
> >change.
> >
> >My $0.02c
> >
> >David
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:jjd@eigner.com]
> >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:09 PM
> >To: Daniel_Austin@grainger.com; jjd@eigner.com
> >Cc: public-ws-chor@w3.org
> >Subject: RE: Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement
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> >>>     I don't necessarily buy the argument that we are only talking
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> >>>the interactions between one WSDL-ized object and another. WSDL is
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> >just
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> >>>one
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> --
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