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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 00:58:36 -0500
Message-ID: <52D4D20C.9000003@w3.org>
To: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
CC: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Hi, Carlos–

You can upload the content whenever you like! If you need help with the 
process, I can lend a hand. Let me know what you need to get started. If 
you like, we can even set up a phone/skype call or IRC session to tackle it.

Regards-
-Doug

On 1/12/14 1:19 PM, Carlos Araya wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Let me know when to upload the content.
>
> I'll be happy to write the blog post :)
>
> Carlos
>
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Carlos–
>>
>> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
>>
>> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the market and competition, etc.)?
>>
>> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> Regards-
>> -Doug
>>
>> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>>>
>>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>>>
>>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>>> tracks
>>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>>> experiments by editor
>>> *
>>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>>> *
>>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>>> - WebVTT in MP4
>>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>>> addition to the page)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Silvia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>>     receive a reply email. ;-)
>>>
>>>     Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>>     correct:
>>>
>>>     1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>>     s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>>     TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>>     or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>>>
>>>     2. Non-readable sentences:
>>>     "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>>     I think you mean something like:
>>>     "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>>>
>>>     3. Typo: missed "are"
>>>     s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>>     placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>>     already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>>     captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>>     erase what was already on the screen/
>>>
>>>     Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>>>
>>>     Cheers,
>>>     Silvia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>     <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Silvia,
>>>
>>>         Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>>         the document.  Is there something I missed?
>>>
>>>         Carlos
>>>         On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>         <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>>         Hi Carlos,
>>>>
>>>>         I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>>         incorporated?
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>         Silvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>         <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>>             round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>>
>>>>             That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>>             the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>>             made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>>             general web concepts.
>>>>
>>>>             Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>             Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>             <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Jay,
>>>>
>>>>                 I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>>                 table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>>>
>>>>                 Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>>                 <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>>                 <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Hi Carlos,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>>                     Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>>                     of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     This is our technology start page:
>>>>
>>>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>>                     API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>>>
>>>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>>                     including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>>                     slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>>                     the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>>                     to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>
>>>>                     http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>>                     ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>>                     an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>>                     as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>>                     an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>
>>>>                     http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>>                     HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>>                     The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>>                     element, and show you how to add video with
>>>>                     captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>                     Read more...
>>>>                     <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>                     *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>                     *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>                     *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>                     *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>>                     public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>                     <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>>                     public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>>                     <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>>>
>>>>                     *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>>                     Docs?
>>>>                     Richard,
>>>>
>>>>                     Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>
>>>>                     I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>>                     Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>>                     and polyfills.
>>>>
>>>>                     What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>
>>>>                     Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>>                     <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                         I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>>                         so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>>                         the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>
>>>>                         * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>>                         patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>>                         * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>                         https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>>                         JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>>                         (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>>                         evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>
>>>>                         Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>>                         <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>                         <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                             I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>>                             tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>>                             to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>>                             examples and edits to the page.
>>>>
>>>>                             https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>
>>>>                             Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>>                             what you think needs to be changed and
>>>>                             what other things I should add.
>>>>
>>>>                             Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>>                             Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>>                             <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                 Great to hear your interest!
>>>>
>>>>                                 I would indeed encourage to write
>>>>                                 about implemented reality, even
>>>>                                 though that will probably continue to
>>>>                                 improve over the next few
>>>>                                 months.
>>>>
>>>>                                 You could explain the features as
>>>>                                 specified and then explain what
>>>>                                 works in the browsers now.
>>>>
>>>>                                 This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>>                                 testing efforts of the <track>
>>>>                                 element in HTML, see
>>>>                                 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>>>
>>>>                                 Cheers,
>>>>                                 Silvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>>                                 Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>                                 <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                                 > I'd be interested in looking at
>>>>                                 working on something like this.
>>>>                                 However the first question that comes
>>>>                                 to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>>                                 the specification is written or to the
>>>>                                 way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>>                                 there is no complete implementation of
>>>>                                 the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>                                 >
>>>>                                 >
>>>>                                 > Carlos
>>>>                                 >
>>>>                                 > Sent from my iPad
>>>>                                 >
>>>>                                 >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>>                                 Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>>                                 <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >> Hi
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >> it would be really cool to have an
>>>>                                 authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>>                                 specification, which is essentially an
>>>>                                 implementation guide) on
>>>>                                 WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>>                                 possible starting points, below,
>>>>                                 though of course to use any of this
>>>>                                 material we’d need to work with the
>>>>                                 authors and get permission.
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >> Is there someone who would like to
>>>>                                 pull this together and spearhead
>>>>                                 getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>>                                 important site?
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>                                 http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>                                 http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>                                 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>                                 >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>                                 http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>                                 http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >> David Singer
>>>>                                 >> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>>                                 Apple Inc.
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>                                 >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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