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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0800
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Message-Id: <D6312835-2B97-4145-ADFB-99641B3A448E@gmail.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Doug, 

Let me know when to upload the content.  

I'll be happy to write the blog post :)

Carlos

On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi, Carlos–
> 
> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
> 
> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the market and competition, etc.)?
> 
> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
> 
> Regards-
> -Doug
> 
> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>> 
>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>> 
>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>> tracks
>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>> experiments by editor
>> *
>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>> *
>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>> - WebVTT in MP4
>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>> addition to the page)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Silvia.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>    receive a reply email. ;-)
>> 
>>    Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>    correct:
>> 
>>    1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>    s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>    TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>    or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>> 
>>    2. Non-readable sentences:
>>    "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>    I think you mean something like:
>>    "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>> 
>>    3. Typo: missed "are"
>>    s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>    placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>    already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>    captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>    erase what was already on the screen/
>> 
>>    Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>> 
>>    Cheers,
>>    Silvia.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>    <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>        Silvia,
>> 
>>        Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>        the document.  Is there something I missed?
>> 
>>        Carlos
>>        On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>        <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>        wrote:
>> 
>>>        Hi Carlos,
>>> 
>>>        I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>        incorporated?
>>> 
>>>        Thanks,
>>>        Silvia.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>        On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>        <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>            I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>            round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>> 
>>>            That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>            the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>            made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>            general web concepts.
>>> 
>>>            Any ideas?
>>> 
>>>            Carlos
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>            <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>            wrote:
>>> 
>>>                Jay,
>>> 
>>>                I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>                table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>> 
>>>                Carlos
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>                <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>                <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                    Hi Carlos,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>                    Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>                    of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    This is our technology start page:
>>> 
>>>                    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>                    API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>> 
>>>                    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>                    including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>                    slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>                    the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>                    to put on WebPlatform.
>>> 
>>>                    http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>                    ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>                    an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>                    as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>                    an update, but things have been busy.
>>> 
>>>                    http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>                    HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>                    The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>                    element, and show you how to add video with
>>>                    captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>                    Read more...
>>>                    <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                    *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>                    <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>                    *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>                    *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>                    *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>                    public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>                    <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>                    public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>                    <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>> 
>>>                    *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>                    Docs?
>>>                    Richard,
>>> 
>>>                    Thank you for the feedback.
>>> 
>>>                    I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>                    Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>                    and polyfills.
>>> 
>>>                    What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>> 
>>>                    Carlos
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                    On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>                    <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>                    <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                        I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>                        so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>                        the list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                        Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>> 
>>>                        * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>                        patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>                        * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>                        https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>                        JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>                        (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>                        evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>> 
>>>                        Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                        On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>                        <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>                        <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                            I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>                            tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>                            to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>                            examples and edits to the page.
>>> 
>>>                            https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>> 
>>>                            Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>                            what you think needs to be changed and
>>>                            what other things I should add.
>>> 
>>>                            Carlos
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                            On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>                            Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>                            <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                                Great to hear your interest!
>>> 
>>>                                I would indeed encourage to write
>>>                                about implemented reality, even
>>>                                though that will probably continue to
>>>                                improve over the next few
>>>                                months.
>>> 
>>>                                You could explain the features as
>>>                                specified and then explain what
>>>                                works in the browsers now.
>>> 
>>>                                This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>                                testing efforts of the <track>
>>>                                element in HTML, see
>>>                                http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>> 
>>>                                Cheers,
>>>                                Silvia.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>                                Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>                                <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                                > I'd be interested in looking at
>>>                                working on something like this.
>>>                                However the first question that comes
>>>                                to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>                                the specification is written or to the
>>>                                way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>                                there is no complete implementation of
>>>                                the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>                                >
>>>                                >
>>>                                > Carlos
>>>                                >
>>>                                > Sent from my iPad
>>>                                >
>>>                                >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>                                Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>                                <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >> Hi
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >> it would be really cool to have an
>>>                                authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>                                specification, which is essentially an
>>>                                implementation guide) on
>>>                                WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>                                possible starting points, below,
>>>                                though of course to use any of this
>>>                                material we’d need to work with the
>>>                                authors and get permission.
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >> Is there someone who would like to
>>>                                pull this together and spearhead
>>>                                getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>                                important site?
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >>>
>>>                                http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>                                >>>
>>>                                http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>                                >>>
>>>                                http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>                                >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>                                >>>
>>>                                http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>                                >>>
>>>                                http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >> David Singer
>>>                                >> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>                                Apple Inc.
>>>                                >>
>>>                                >>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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