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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:46:59 -0800
Message-ID: <CANL4y-rVN4mpJqS=Z7nnH7Hqrkc9JDSDh3CvLStgUsd1ScmN4g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Doug,

I'm planning on uploading the content on Monday, after I've had a chance to
incorporate Loretta's feedback.

I'll let you know when it's uploaded and if I need help.

Carlos


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi, Carlos–
>
> You can upload the content whenever you like! If you need help with the
> process, I can lend a hand. Let me know what you need to get started. If
> you like, we can even set up a phone/skype call or IRC session to tackle it.
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
>
> On 1/12/14 1:19 PM, Carlos Araya wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> Let me know when to upload the content.
>>
>> I'll be happy to write the blog post :)
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, Carlos–
>>>
>>> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that
>>> we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
>>>
>>> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your
>>> contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the
>>> market and competition, etc.)?
>>>
>>> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>
>>> Regards-
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>>>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/
>>>> texttracks/ .
>>>>
>>>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>>>>
>>>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>>>> tracks
>>>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>>>> experiments by editor
>>>> *
>>>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-
>>>> metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>>>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>>>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>>>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>>>> *
>>>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-
>>>> mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>>>> - WebVTT in MP4
>>>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>>>> addition to the page)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Silvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>>>     receive a reply email. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>     Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>>>     correct:
>>>>
>>>>     1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>>>     s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>>>     TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>>>     or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>>>>
>>>>     2. Non-readable sentences:
>>>>     "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>>>     I think you mean something like:
>>>>     "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>>>>
>>>>     3. Typo: missed "are"
>>>>     s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>>>     placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>>>     already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>>>     captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>>>     erase what was already on the screen/
>>>>
>>>>     Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>>>>
>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>     Silvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>     <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Silvia,
>>>>
>>>>         Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>>>         the document.  Is there something I missed?
>>>>
>>>>         Carlos
>>>>         On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>         <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>>>         wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          Hi Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>>         I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>>>         incorporated?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>>         Silvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>         <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>>>             round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>>>
>>>>>             That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>>>             the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>>>             made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>>>             general web concepts.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>             Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>             <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>             wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>>>                 table.  Can you think of a better placement for the
>>>>> links?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>>>                 <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>>>                 <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Hi Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>>>                     Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>>>                     of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     This is our technology start page:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>>>                     API is mixed in with the audio/video/media
>>>>> elements.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-
>>>>> US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>>>                     including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>>>                     slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>>>                     the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>>>                     to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     http://code.msdn.microsoft.
>>>>> com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>>>                     ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>>>                     an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>>>                     as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>>>                     an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/
>>>>> CaptionMaker/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>>>                     HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>>>                     The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>>>                     element, and show you how to add video with
>>>>>                     captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>>                     Read more...
>>>>>                     <http://code.msdn.microsoft.
>>>>> com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     ------------------------------
>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>                     *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                     <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>                     *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>                     *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>>                     *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>>>                     public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>                     <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>>>                     public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>>>                     <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>>>>
>>>>>                     *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>>>                     Docs?
>>>>>                     Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>>>                     Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>>>                     and polyfills.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>>>                     <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>>>                     <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                         I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>>>                         so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>>>                         the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>>
>>>>>                         * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>>>                         patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>>>                         * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>>                         https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>>>                         JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>>>                         (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>>>                         evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Rick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>                         <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                         <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                             I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>>>                             tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>>>                             to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>>>                             examples and edits to the page.
>>>>>
>>>>>                             https://github.com/caraya/vtt-
>>>>> demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>>
>>>>>                             Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>>>                             what you think needs to be changed and
>>>>>                             what other things I should add.
>>>>>
>>>>>                             Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                             On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>>>                             Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>>>                             <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 Great to hear your interest!
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 I would indeed encourage to write
>>>>>                                 about implemented reality, even
>>>>>                                 though that will probably continue to
>>>>>                                 improve over the next few
>>>>>                                 months.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 You could explain the features as
>>>>>                                 specified and then explain what
>>>>>                                 works in the browsers now.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>>>                                 testing efforts of the <track>
>>>>>                                 element in HTML, see
>>>>>                                 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 Cheers,
>>>>>                                 Silvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>>>                                 Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                                 <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>                                 > I'd be interested in looking at
>>>>>                                 working on something like this.
>>>>>                                 However the first question that comes
>>>>>                                 to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>>>                                 the specification is written or to the
>>>>>                                 way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>>>                                 there is no complete implementation of
>>>>>                                 the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>>                                 >
>>>>>                                 >
>>>>>                                 > Carlos
>>>>>                                 >
>>>>>                                 > Sent from my iPad
>>>>>                                 >
>>>>>                                 >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>>>                                 Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>>>                                 <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >> Hi
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >> it would be really cool to have an
>>>>>                                 authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>>>                                 specification, which is essentially an
>>>>>                                 implementation guide) on
>>>>>                                 WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>>>                                 possible starting points, below,
>>>>>                                 though of course to use any of this
>>>>>                                 material we’d need to work with the
>>>>>                                 authors and get permission.
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >> Is there someone who would like to
>>>>>                                 pull this together and spearhead
>>>>>                                 getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>>>                                 important site?
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>>                                 http://dev.opera.com/articles/
>>>>> view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>>                                 http://developer.mozilla.org/
>>>>> en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>>                                 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/
>>>>> archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>>                                 >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>>                                 http://demosthenes.info/blog/
>>>>> 580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>>                                 >>>
>>>>>                                 http://www.accessiq.org/news/
>>>>> features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >> David Singer
>>>>>                                 >> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>>>                                 Apple Inc.
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>                                 >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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