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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:46:55 -0500
Message-ID: <52D2D50F.8080908@w3.org>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
CC: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Hi, Carlos–

I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that 
we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].

Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your 
contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the 
market and competition, etc.)?

[1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
[2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page

Regards-
-Doug

On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>
> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>
> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
> tracks
> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
> experiments by editor
> *
> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
> *
> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
> - WebVTT in MP4
> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
> addition to the page)
>
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>     receive a reply email. ;-)
>
>     Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>     correct:
>
>     1. Typo: missed a "by"
>     s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>     TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>     or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>
>     2. Non-readable sentences:
>     "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>     I think you mean something like:
>     "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>
>     3. Typo: missed "are"
>     s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>     placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>     already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>     captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>     erase what was already on the screen/
>
>     Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>
>     Cheers,
>     Silvia.
>
>
>
>     On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>     <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Silvia,
>
>         Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>         the document.  Is there something I missed?
>
>         Carlos
>         On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>         <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>>         Hi Carlos,
>>
>>         I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>         incorporated?
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>         Silvia.
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>         <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>             round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>
>>             That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>             the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>             made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>             general web concepts.
>>
>>             Any ideas?
>>
>>             Carlos
>>
>>
>>             On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>             <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 Jay,
>>
>>                 I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>                 table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>
>>                 Carlos
>>
>>
>>                 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>                 <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>                 <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     Hi Carlos,
>>
>>
>>                     Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>
>>
>>                     Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>                     Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>                     of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>
>>
>>                     This is our technology start page:
>>
>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>
>>
>>                     Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>                     API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>
>>                     http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>
>>
>>                     There's a set of text track samples here,
>>                     including one that uses meta data to create a
>>                     slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>                     the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>                     to put on WebPlatform.
>>
>>                     http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>
>>
>>                     Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>                     ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>                     an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>                     as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>                     an update, but things have been busy.
>>
>>                     http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>                     HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>                     The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>                     element, and show you how to add video with
>>                     captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>                     Read more...
>>                     <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                     *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>                     *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>                     *To:* Richard Eyre
>>                     *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>                     public-webplatform@w3.org
>>                     <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>                     public-texttracks@w3.org
>>                     <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>
>>                     *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>                     Docs?
>>                     Richard,
>>
>>                     Thank you for the feedback.
>>
>>                     I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>                     Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>                     and polyfills.
>>
>>                     What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>
>>                     Carlos
>>
>>
>>                     On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>                     <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>                     <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                         I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>                         so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>                         the list.
>>
>>
>>                         Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>
>>                         * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>                         patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>                         * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>                         https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>                         JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>                         (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>                         evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>
>>                         Rick
>>
>>
>>                         On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>                         <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>                             tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>                             to make it easier for people to contribute
>>                             examples and edits to the page.
>>
>>                             https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>
>>                             Please take a look at it and let me know
>>                             what you think needs to be changed and
>>                             what other things I should add.
>>
>>                             Carlos
>>
>>
>>                             On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>                             Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>                             <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 Great to hear your interest!
>>
>>                                 I would indeed encourage to write
>>                                 about implemented reality, even
>>                                 though that will probably continue to
>>                                 improve over the next few
>>                                 months.
>>
>>                                 You could explain the features as
>>                                 specified and then explain what
>>                                 works in the browsers now.
>>
>>                                 This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>                                 testing efforts of the <track>
>>                                 element in HTML, see
>>                                 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>
>>                                 Cheers,
>>                                 Silvia.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>                                 Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>                                 <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                                 > I'd be interested in looking at
>>                                 working on something like this.
>>                                 However the first question that comes
>>                                 to mind is whether we write to the way
>>                                 the specification is written or to the
>>                                 way it is supported. As far as I know
>>                                 there is no complete implementation of
>>                                 the VTT spec available,is there?
>>                                 >
>>                                 >
>>                                 > Carlos
>>                                 >
>>                                 > Sent from my iPad
>>                                 >
>>                                 >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>                                 Singer <singer@apple.com
>>                                 <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >> Hi
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >> it would be really cool to have an
>>                                 authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>                                 specification, which is essentially an
>>                                 implementation guide) on
>>                                 WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>                                 possible starting points, below,
>>                                 though of course to use any of this
>>                                 material we’d need to work with the
>>                                 authors and get permission.
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >> Is there someone who would like to
>>                                 pull this together and spearhead
>>                                 getting a good authoring guide on this
>>                                 important site?
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>                                 >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >> David Singer
>>                                 >> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>                                 Apple Inc.
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>
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