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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:48:35 +1100
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2ku=_P73Xr2NJmxtuUACyk1ePhOWFGa0M4cK1SskD3Kyg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
Cc: Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .

If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:

* http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
tracks
* https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
experiments by editor
* http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm-
specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
* http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
*
http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/-
WebVTT in MP4
(which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
addition to the page)

Cheers,
Silvia.



On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't receive
> a reply email. ;-)
>
> Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to correct:
>
> 1. Typo: missed a "by"
> s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or TAB
> characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one or more
> SPACE or TAB characters/
>
> 2. Non-readable sentences:
> "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
> I think you mean something like:
> "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>
> 3. Typo: missed "are"
> s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which placed
> independently from each other and don't erase what was already on the
> screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which are
> placed independently from each other and don't erase what was already on
> the screen/
>
> Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Silvia,
>>
>> Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into the
>> document.  Is there something I missed?
>>
>> Carlos
>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been incorporated?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Silvia.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more round of
>>> feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>
>>> That bring another question, what is the best place for the VTT tutorial
>>> within the WPD doc web site? I haven't made up my mind if it falls under
>>> HTML, Accessibility or general web concepts.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>>
>>>> I added the links as notes to the supported browsers table.  Can you
>>>> think of a better placement for the links?
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5 Rocks site. While a
>>>>> good site, Microsoft has a lot of Text Track docs, with a number of
>>>>> examples.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is our technology start page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's where all the API docs are. The text track API is mixed in with
>>>>> the audio/video/media elements.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a set of text track samples here, including one that uses meta
>>>>> data to create a slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having the demo
>>>>> online, so it might be a good candidate to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on ietestdrive.com that
>>>>> has an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well as TTML files). I've
>>>>> been meaning to get around to an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript, HTML for Visual
>>>>> Studio 2010
>>>>>  The examples shown here use the HTML5 track element, and show you how
>>>>> to add video with captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>>  Read more...<http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>> *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>> *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer; public-webplatform@w3.org;
>>>>> public-texttracks@w3.org; Doug Schepers
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?
>>>>>
>>>>>   Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I've updated the information regarding Firefox Nightly and added
>>>>>  vtt.js to the lists of players and polyfills.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure if this got through to the list so if it did, apologies.
>>>>>> I don't mean to spam the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A patch landed a few
>>>>>> days ago for that.
>>>>>> * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>>> https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a JavaScript implementation
>>>>>> of the WebVTT spec (not the track spec). In the future it might evolve into
>>>>>> a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took a first stab at writing the VTT tutorial. It's currently
>>>>>>> hosted in Github to make it easier for people to contribute examples and
>>>>>>> edits to the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please take a look at it and let me know what you think needs to be
>>>>>>> changed and what other things I should add.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <
>>>>>>> silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great to hear your interest!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would indeed encourage to write about implemented reality, even
>>>>>>>> though that will probably continue to improve over the next few
>>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could explain the features as specified and then explain what
>>>>>>>> works in the browsers now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This could, in fact, contribute to the testing efforts of the
>>>>>>>> <track>
>>>>>>>> element in HTML, see http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Silvia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Carlos Araya <
>>>>>>>> carlos.araya@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I'd be interested in looking at working on something like this.
>>>>>>>> However the first question that comes to mind is whether we write to the
>>>>>>>> way the specification is written or to the way it is supported. As far as I
>>>>>>>> know there is no complete implementation of the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David Singer <singer@apple.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Hi
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> it would be really cool to have an authoring guide for VTT
>>>>>>>> (unlike the specification, which is essentially an implementation guide) on
>>>>>>>> WebPlatformDocs.  There are some possible starting points, below, though of
>>>>>>>> course to use any of this material wed need to work with the authors and
>>>>>>>> get permission.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Is there someone who would like to pull this together and
>>>>>>>> spearhead getting a good authoring guide on this important site?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>>>>> >>> http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>>>>> >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> David Singer
>>>>>>>> >> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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