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Re: Use Case: Marking to Clothing

From: Brian Hegarty <brianghegarty@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:30:56 +0100
Message-ID: <CAHP2DOR_B8=+C4tJFj-Y23zn=A0dOkp+cO9jvogqG2NjNK38SA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>, Web Payments <public-webpayments@w3.org>
Hello All,

I think the realisation of Melvin's idea would be a fantastic, yet
realistic, implementation of the endowment of 'money' and reputation upon
individuals and institutions.

The potential variants are numerous and diverse.  This could be applied to
anything from a street musician busking for their next meal, to a
Presidential Candidate canvassing for groundswell support and funds in
Primary elections.

The actual IRI to which things are direct would be at the discretion of the
wearer.  The end recipient could be a performer, artist, charity (in a near
frictionless fashion) or communal institution.  The wearer would be a
conduit to the cause.  The 'Cool factor' appeal to prominent personalities
is, in my opinion, huge.  Thereby the propagation of this idea could be a
natural occurrence following a competent implementation of the concept.

Technically, variants of implementations could utilize much technology
which already is common place.   To elaborate by means of examples...
- Marathon runners, sponsored for charity per mile completed, could be
scanned at each milepost and pledges transferred dynamically and near
frictionlessly to the cause of the runner's (the conduit) choosing.
- The endorsement of political candidates during TV debates could attract
added meaning, quantifiability and  transparency in comparison to the
legacy of dubious TV viewer polls.
- A celebrity sitting in the crowd at a sports event (or perhaps ALS
challenge) could take solace the repetitive attention of broadcast cameras
would me more exposure to the symbol of their cause of choice.
Furthermore, a broadcast levy on each image shown could become convention.

The potential here near certainly exceeds the limits of my imagination, I
am sure you can conceive more.  In any case it has motivated me to reply to
this group.

Thanks for reading,
Brian



On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On 20 September 2014 16:30, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On 21 Sep 2014, at 12:15 am, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> On 20 September 2014 16:00, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> It's very close to contour based analysis of individuals...
>>>
>>> Why clothing, not people?
>>>
>>
>> Marking of people is already implemented.
>>
>> I think clothing is something that is a little less 'geeky'
>>
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>>>
>>> Technically, what's the difference?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't targeting a wifi MAC address (or bluetooth unique device Id,
>>> not sure if it's a MAC address) be similar?
>>>
>>> Clothing would infer a person needs to take a particular position
>>> inorder for it to be readable.
>>>
>>> How does it support persona, over identity (meaning pseudo-anonmity)...?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't qrcodes on business cards be low-hanging fruit?
>>>
>>
>> There are other use cases, but in this case a person would normally be
>> the owner of the garment.
>>
>>
>> Most industries, especially luxury good, have issues with counterfeiting.
>>   Watches, sunglasses, Clothing, etc.
>>
>> Having some sort of discoverable, unique uri on these things that certify
>> the object is a desirable capability. (Ideally via a mobile phone - ie: nfc
>> or 2d barcode, etc.)
>>
>> Same goes for messages, digital media, people who claim to have specific
>> IP, etc.
>>
>> Mind, the latter might benefit from describing something using structured
>> data, then bitmarking it.
>>
>
> Sure you can counterfeit somoene's design but they'll end up getting your
> payments. It's the ultimate deterrent! :)
>
>
>>
>> Timh.
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>> Timh
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2014, at 11:24 pm, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Im currently working with a project called bitmark [1].
>>>
>>> The idea is that you can mark content on the web, on a phone, via email,
>>> geo located, on the internet of things, or in the real world (anything with
>>> an IRI, which to say, anything).  The concept of a mark is a show of
>>> approval, and the recipient can in turn, mark other users etc.
>>>
>>> This has a payment element and a reputational element.  The idea of
>>> marking is money+reputation.
>>>
>>> My use case is in regard to the marking of real world clothing.  To mark
>>> clothing a unique identifier is preferred.  It would be possible to mark to
>>> a QR code which contains enough entropy to store an identifier.  But
>>> relatively few people would want to wear clothing with a QR code on it.
>>>
>>> The solution to this would be to design unique fashion items such as
>>> T-Shirts, trousers and other items of clothing such that the design could
>>> be translated, via an algorithm, to a machine readable identifier.
>>>
>>> Each item of clothing would be a unique fashion statement but also carry
>>> transferrable reputation of the wearer.  A web based ledger can be used to
>>> see how much that item has been marked, when the marking was carried out,
>>> and who it was by.  Either by a known individual, or anonymously.
>>>
>>> It would be possible to send transfers to the clothing items using the
>>> web payments specification and/or crypto currencies over the internet,
>>> using a internet connected device, such as a computer, mobile phone, tablet
>>> or web enabled eye wear.
>>>
>>> The owner of the garment is able to look up online, the marking of
>>> values of that item.  Furthermore, an app on a mobile device would allow
>>> the wearer to receive updates in real time which would notify the user via
>>> sound or a vibration.
>>>
>>> In this way individuals area able to know when they are dressed well and
>>> when it is appreciated by others. It can be possible to quantitatively
>>> discover which designs suit the wearer most.  And it can perhaps also lead
>>> to interesting social situations or friendly rivalry.
>>>
>>> As will most things in this group the concept is extensible to anything
>>> on the web, but this specific use case is related to clothing.
>>>
>>> Would this be a use case that the payments group would be interested
>>> in?  I have started to work on an implementation and would be happy to
>>> share a demo if anyone would like to see more.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Melvin
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/project-bitmark/marking/wiki
>>>
>>>
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