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RE: Socializing the high level API during our F2F meeting in April

From: GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:14:40 +0200
To: Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com>, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
CC: "public-webcrypto@w3.org" <public-webcrypto@w3.org>, "wseltzer@w3.org" <wseltzer@w3.org>
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Hi Ryan, 

I understand your argument to get use cases first. 
But on the other hand, having the experienced of people who actually have an idea of a high level API is a mean to break the myth around the high level API. We have an opportunity here, as being all together to allocate some time with external contributors. It does not mean we are going to solve the entire topic of high level API, we are just going to exchange view. Note also that one of the objective would be to have those external views becoming WG participants, as you have mentioned we need to recruit to become legitimate to work on this high level api :)

For the next steps : 
* Let's see which external part is interested and see if we can gather enough contributors to have that discussion without disturbing too much our first priority topics. 
* I'd be happy to make a straw man proposal for usecase to make that discussion less vague and more concrete. 

Regards,
virginie


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi@google.com] 
Sent: jeudi 4 avril 2013 18:44
To: Harry Halpin
Cc: GALINDO Virginie; public-webcrypto@w3.org; wseltzer@w3.org
Subject: Re: Socializing the high level API during our F2F meeting in April

I think it would be helpful first to get use cases.

I don't think the way our meetings have been structured are conducive towards trying to get external involvement or making valuable use of their time. Our meetings often involve very vague discussions that meander on, without making real progress.

Having a concrete set of use cases that say "These are the problems we face", as an initial list, is a much more productive use of getting feedback from external parties. As has been repeatedly mentioned, each of the high level APIs you've mentioned attempt to solve different problems, and with different tradeoffs, and unless you're expecting the members of this WG to be experts in cryptography, then I would suggest its better to first provide the use cases.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
> On 04/02/2013 03:28 PM, GALINDO Virginie wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
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> As briefly mentioned in our call yesterday, I would like to get your 
> view and interest for organizing a meeting open to the public to 
> discuss the high level API.
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> The actual objective would be to have a conversation about
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> -          The other technology providing with high level API (NaCl, ...)
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> -          The use cases for a W3C high level API
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> -          The potential action plan in the Web Crypto WG
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>
> I'd like to see the following people, who have experience with 
> high-level APIs, in attendance:
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> - Some Google folks from Keyczar (is Weiss still on it?)
> - Some NACL folks - Daniel J. Bernstein
> - Matthew Green
> - Is Emily Stark coming? If not, ideally, if he can spare the time, 
> Dan Boneh or Mike Hamburg
>
> I think we should post the open invite on W3C blog and email to crypto 
> mailing lists.
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> This meeting open to the public, may help the WG to get more people on 
> board on this topic, as it was mentioned several time that we do not 
> have the appropriate contributors. While being a short meeting, this 
> would at least bring some interested people from the silicon valley if 
> we are able to communicate correctly and send soon the invitations.
>
>
>
> Taking the suggestion of Arun made on IRC, we could have this 2 hours 
> conversation at the end of the first day, as a pre-social-event, to 
> avoid taking time on our main discussions.
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>
>
> So I would like to get the view from the WG participants to have a 2 
> hours meeting on high level API, from 17:00 to 19:00 on the 23rd of April.
>
> Would you attend, contribute, invite people in your network to attend 
> ? All comment, alternative suggestion are welcome.
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>
>
> Regards,
>
> Virginie
>
> Chairman of the Web Crypto WG
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>
>
>
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