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Re: [profile] Profile spec title

From: Masahito Kawamori <masahito.kawamori@ties.itu.int>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:13:33 +0900
Message-ID: <CAD0ETODL8Xnh=xNx=1mN7osQzGakTk6adZyeDuS_1g7qQZT=fw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Scott Wilson <scott.bradley.wilson@gmail.com>
Cc: Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com>, Jan Lindquist <jan.lindquist@ericsson.com>, "Vickers, Mark" <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com>, "public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Thanks, Scott

Taking also into account Mr Dewa's point, and rather than just
singling out a CE device, may be we can talk about  a resource limited
device?

Then combining Giuseppe's original two proposals with the above
discussion, how would the following sound?:

3.  "Web and TV profile"
    - Guidelines for integration of web technologies for
resource-limited devices in a browser-based environment --

(It is a mechanical combination and permutation of the terms mentioned
so far. We may need to seriously check the semantics of these phrases)

Cheers

Masahito


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Scott Wilson
<scott.bradley.wilson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8 Feb 2012, at 10:25, Masahito Kawamori wrote:
>
>> Giuseppe, all
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Having read all the comments so far I still think the best compromise
>>> between different opinions is
>>>
>>>
>>> "Web and TV profile"
>>> Guidelines for integration of interactive video services in a browser-based
>>> environment
>>
>> I agree.  (but then again, the question may remain, "hasn't that been
>> the intention of HTML5 <video>?". Well, it is ok for the time being,
>> as a straw man, at least.)
>>
>
> Yes... for me the spec is more like a HTML5 profile for web applications on CE devices than anything to do with video services.
>
>>>
>>> possible variation
>>>
>>> "WebTV profile"
>>>
>>> Guidelines for integration of interactive video services in a browser-based
>>> environment
>>
>> Would not probably work, as pointed out by Yusuke.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Masahito
>>
>>
>>> /g
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> mav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jan Lindquist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> The profile is not only about HTML5 but other W3c standards so it would
>>>>> be misleading to have HTML5 in the title. In the spirit of the IG how about
>>>>> "web and TV profile". The name of the profile is not as critical as knowing
>>>>> the breadth of the areas it should cover. This profile may live for a while
>>>>> and it in the context of the industry attempt to influence the work in W3C
>>>>> with a clear list of specs that are being used and how they may be used. It
>>>>> will become a reference point by other standard groups. By using the same
>>>>> name as the IG it can help see the relationship.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> JanL
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vickers, Mark [mailto:Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com]
>>>>>> Sent: den 7 februari 2012 15:24
>>>>>> To: Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>> Cc: public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [profile] Profile spec title
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about "HTML5 Video Services Profile"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:26:40 +0100, Vickers, Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Title: The goal for me is a profile of HTML5 for video
>>>>>>
>>>>>> services. There are two differences with "Web&TV Profile".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I want to include HTML5 in the title because this is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTML5-related
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and HTM5-centric
>>>>>>>> - I don't like including "TV". This continues to cause
>>>>>>
>>>>>> confusion. It is clearer to describe an HTML5 profile for
>>>>>> video services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have strong opinions on the title but I would note
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - A title should be short ( the subtitle explains a bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more what we are doing).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I've tried to use the word "TV services" in the subtitle that is
>>>>>>> hopefully a bit less confusing (or maybe not?). I have defined this
>>>>>>> term as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "For the purposes of this document a TV service is a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> commercial video service that may include elements of
>>>>>> interactivity and that provides a coherent user experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - while this profile is html5 based this is not only about
>>>>>>
>>>>>> html5. I'm not against highlighting the HTML5 centric
>>>>>> approach but I wouldn't call this "an html5 profile".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So in short: I'm fine with your comments but I cannot come
>>>>>>
>>>>>> up with a better title/subtitle. Suggestions are welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /g
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See you on the call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> mav
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One note: the zakim bridge is overbooked.
>>>>>>>>> So just in case we see that people have problem dialing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in (in such
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> case please login on IRC and let us know) I set-up this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Opera bridge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOTE: ONLY TO BE USED IF WE SEE THAT ZAKIM DOESN'T WORK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phone bridge details:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Conference ID:            33909
>>>>>>>>> Start Date and Time:      Monday 06.02.2012 17:00:00 CET/CEST
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridge Numbers:
>>>>>>>>> Norway                           +47 23 69 26 03
>>>>>>>>> USA                                +1 800 201 4229 (Toll-Free)
>>>>>>>>> Poland (Wroclaw)                +48 71 719 6099
>>>>>>>>> Poland (Warsaw)                 +48 22 262 0799
>>>>>>>>> Japan                             +81 3 5435 8394
>>>>>>>>> Russia                            +7 812 448 7876
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Conference Name:          tv profile
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Please contact SysAdmin at +47 23 69 33 60 for assistance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /g
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:06:15 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here the call details for todays call
>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Telco)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Schedule: Monday, 16:00Z (=8:00 Pacific, 11:00 Eastern, 17:00
>>>>>>>>>> Europe, 01:00 Korea/Japan)
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: US: +1 617 761 6200 or SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org Conference
>>>>>>>>>> Code: 26632 IRC channel: #webtv
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And here the Agenda for todays call:
>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Agenda_Telco_6/2/2012)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * Review of Charter
>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Charter)
>>>>>>>>>> * Call schedule
>>>>>>>>>> * TF tools (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile)
>>>>>>>>>> * Process
>>>>>>>>>> * Initial feedbacks on the draft
>>>>>>>>>> (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/tvprofile/tv.html)
>>>>>>>>>> * AOB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /g
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:00:59 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> the poll [1] is now closed and the winner is...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, February 6, 2012 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM UTC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this first call we will discuss the scope of the TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> profile work, how do we want the group to be organized and
>>>>>> timeline (if any).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any other topic you want to add to the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> agenda let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll send around call details ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://doodle.com/h6rfnkrqyi3uinpi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>>>>> TV & Connected Devices
>>>>>>>>> Opera Software
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Giuseppe Pascale
>>>>>>> TV & Connected Devices
>>>>>>> Opera Software
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Giuseppe Pascale
>>> TV & Connected Devices
>>> Opera Software
>>>
>>
>
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