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Re: examples of sets of documents

From: Loïc Martínez Normand <loic@fi.upm.es>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:54:02 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJpUyz=TKARTzgumQhu9ZJ=hJXriR-p4N_AMtt4=cYPt=a02fA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
Cc: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Dear all,

Thank you Gregg for providing these good examples of sets of documents,
which I agree they are.

But I'm with Peter about conforming to 2.4.5 (multiple ways). I don't think
that there two examples meet 2.4.5 either as web content or as a set of
documents once downloaded in one computer. I don't think that the
techniques defined for 2.4.5 are applied in those two examples.

Best regards,
Loïc

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote:

>  Hi Gregg,
>
> I'm afraid I don't see how these example documents meet 2.4.5 Multiple
> Ways - either using Proposal #9 at
> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/2-operable/24-provide-ways-to-help-users-navigate-find-content-and-determine-where-they-are/245-multiple-waysor frankly just as web pages using WCAG 2.0.
>
> In the Muse Test Suite example, the filenames are "MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf"
> and "MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf" (or perhaps "6BED1d01.pdf" and "57013d01.pdf" as
> that is what they get as temporary filenames when passed to my copy of
> Adobe Reader).  Neither of these are "Test Suite, Part 1: Test Objectives"
> or "Test Suite, Part 2: Test Methods" - so internal references to those
> filenames don't exist (so I don't see how that would be "one of the
> multiple ways").  This same situation arises with the Audacity example -
> the filesystem filenames don't match the document filenames ("Super-Fast
> Guide to Audio Editing" vs. "Audacity_Guide.pdf"   and "Editing Audio with
> Audacity (Part 2)" vs. "EditingAudioPart2.pdf").
>
> Also, proposal #9 lacks the NOTE at the end of proposal #8, but even
> following that NOTE, since not all documents in both examples contain links
> to the other, the only "way" of the necessary at least 2 ways that I find
> is "searching the documents' contents").
>
>
> So... while I think these are good examples of a "set of documents" - at
> least for purposes of our discussion - I don't see them as examples of
> documents that pass our contemplated tests for 2.4.5 (let alone passing
> WCAG 2.4.5 when viewing them as web pages).
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 9/8/2012 2:52 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
>  Currently they are web pages.  And the do meet WCAG as web pages.
>
>  I can't comment on their meeting WCAG in other contexts since
>  a) the other context is not described
>  b) the WCAG2ICT hasn’t said how WCAG would be applied to those other
> contexts.
>
>  Given the discussions we have been having in WCAG2ICT though -- I would
> see no problem in the documents meeting what the WCAG2ICT has been
> discussing, and doing so in most any context that I can think of  (e.g.
> saved from an email, on a server, in a folder together on a drive, of flash
> memory stick, etc.)  except if you split them up -- but we specifically
> exclude a set that has been broken up from being still considered a set --
> so I guess they would pass that too.
>
>
>      *Gregg*
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>  On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>  Gregg,
>
> Thanks for finding these examples!
>
> Looking at the first set (Muse Test Suite), in your opinion should these
> pass or fail the SC?  In your reading of the draft SC language, do they
> pass or fail?  Any why?
>
> Same questions for the second set (User Guide to Audio editing...)...
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 9/6/2012 11:29 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>
> here are two examples
>
>
>    1. Muse Test Suite, Part 1 Test Objectives (link<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf>)
>    & Part 2 Test Methods (link<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf>
>    ).
>       - Published together on Jan 6, 2006. Labeled as a set in 1.1 Scope.
>
>        2. User Guide to Audio editing with Audacity, Part 1 (link<http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/Audacity_Guide.pdf>)
>    & Part 2 (link <http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/EditingAudioPart2.pdf>).
>       - Published together in 2009 and labeled as a set in Part 2.
>
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>
>     *Gregg*
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DLSIIS. Facultad de Informática
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
Campus de Montegancedo
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