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Re: examples of sets of documents

From: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:16:16 -0700
Message-ID: <504E58A0.7010900@oracle.com>
To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
CC: "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Hi Gregg,

I'm afraid I don't see how these example documents meet 2.4.5 Multiple 
Ways - either using Proposal #9 at 
https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/2-operable/24-provide-ways-to-help-users-navigate-find-content-and-determine-where-they-are/245-multiple-ways 
or frankly just as web pages using WCAG 2.0.

In the Muse Test Suite example, the filenames are "MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf" 
and "MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf" (or perhaps "6BED1d01.pdf" and "57013d01.pdf" 
as that is what they get as temporary filenames when passed to my copy 
of Adobe Reader). Neither of these are "Test Suite, Part 1: Test 
Objectives" or "Test Suite, Part 2: Test Methods" - so internal 
references to those filenames don't exist (so I don't see how that would 
be "one of the multiple ways").  This same situation arises with the 
Audacity example - the filesystem filenames don't match the document 
filenames ("Super-Fast Guide to Audio Editing" vs. "Audacity_Guide.pdf" 
   and "Editing Audio with Audacity (Part 2)" vs. "EditingAudioPart2.pdf").

Also, proposal #9 lacks the NOTE at the end of proposal #8, but even 
following that NOTE, since not all documents in both examples contain 
links to the other, the only "way" of the necessary at least 2 ways that 
I find is "searching the documents' contents").


So... while I think these are good examples of a "set of documents" - at 
least for purposes of our discussion - I don't see them as examples of 
documents that pass our contemplated tests for 2.4.5 (let alone passing 
WCAG 2.4.5 when viewing them as web pages).


Peter

On 9/8/2012 2:52 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Currently they are web pages.  And the do meet WCAG as web pages.
>
> I can't comment on their meeting WCAG in other contexts since
> a) the other context is not described
> b) the WCAG2ICT hasnít said how WCAG would be applied to those other 
> contexts.
>
> Given the discussions we have been having in WCAG2ICT though -- I 
> would see no problem in the documents meeting what the WCAG2ICT has 
> been discussing, and doing so in most any context that I can think of 
>  (e.g. saved from an email, on a server, in a folder together on a 
> drive, of flash memory stick, etc.)  except if you split them up -- 
> but we specifically exclude a set that has been broken up from being 
> still considered a set -- so I guess they would pass that too.
>
>
> /Gregg/
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com 
> <mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com>> wrote:
>
>> Gregg,
>>
>> Thanks for finding these examples!
>>
>> Looking at the first set (Muse Test Suite), in your opinion should 
>> these pass or fail the SC?  In your reading of the draft SC language, 
>> do they pass or fail?  Any why?
>>
>> Same questions for the second set (User Guide to Audio editing...)...
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/2012 11:29 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>>> here are two examples
>>>
>>>  1. Muse Test Suite, Part 1 Test Objectives (link
>>>     <http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf>)
>>>     & Part 2 Test Methods (link
>>>     <http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf>).
>>>       * Published together on Jan 6, 2006. Labeled as a set in 1.1
>>>         Scope.
>>>
>>>  2. User Guide to Audio editing with Audacity, Part 1 (link
>>>     <http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/Audacity_Guide.pdf>) & Part 2
>>>     (link <http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/EditingAudioPart2.pdf>).
>>>       * Published together in 2009 and labeled as a set in Part 2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> /Gregg/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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