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From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:06:15 -0400
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From: Peter Korn [mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com] 
Sent: September-10-12 5:16 PM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden
Cc: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
Subject: Re: examples of sets of documents


Hi Gregg,

I'm afraid I don't see how these example documents meet 2.4.5 Multiple Ways
- either using Proposal #9 at
s or frankly just as web pages using WCAG 2.0. 

In the Muse Test Suite example, the filenames are "MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf" and
"MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf" (or perhaps "6BED1d01.pdf" and "57013d01.pdf" as that
is what they get as temporary filenames when passed to my copy of Adobe
Reader).  Neither of these are "Test Suite, Part 1: Test Objectives" or
"Test Suite, Part 2: Test Methods" - so internal references to those
filenames don't exist (so I don't see how that would be "one of the multiple
ways").  This same situation arises with the Audacity example - the
filesystem filenames don't match the document filenames ("Super-Fast Guide
to Audio Editing" vs. "Audacity_Guide.pdf"   and "Editing Audio with
Audacity (Part 2)" vs. "EditingAudioPart2.pdf").

Also, proposal #9 lacks the NOTE at the end of proposal #8, but even
following that NOTE, since not all documents in both examples contain links
to the other, the only "way" of the necessary at least 2 ways that I find is
"searching the documents' contents").

So... while I think these are good examples of a "set of documents" - at
least for purposes of our discussion - I don't see them as examples of
documents that pass our contemplated tests for 2.4.5 (let alone passing WCAG
2.4.5 when viewing them as web pages).


On 9/8/2012 2:52 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:

Hi Peter, 


Currently they are web pages.  And the do meet WCAG as web pages. 


I can't comment on their meeting WCAG in other contexts since 

a) the other context is not described

b) the WCAG2ICT hasn't said how WCAG would be applied to those other


Given the discussions we have been having in WCAG2ICT though -- I would see
no problem in the documents meeting what the WCAG2ICT has been discussing,
and doing so in most any context that I can think of  (e.g. saved from an
email, on a server, in a folder together on a drive, of flash memory stick,
etc.)  except if you split them up -- but we specifically exclude a set that
has been broken up from being still considered a set -- so I guess they
would pass that too. 







On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote:


Thanks for finding these examples!

Looking at the first set (Muse Test Suite), in your opinion should these
pass or fail the SC?  In your reading of the draft SC language, do they pass
or fail?  Any why?

Same questions for the second set (User Guide to Audio editing...)...


On 9/6/2012 11:29 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: 

here are two examples 


1.	Muse Test Suite, Part 1 Test Objectives (link
<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf> ) & Part 2
Test Methods (link
<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf> ).  

*	Published together on Jan 6, 2006. Labeled as a set in 1.1 Scope.

2.	User Guide to Audio editing with Audacity, Part 1 (link
<http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/Audacity_Guide.pdf> ) & Part 2 (link
<http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/EditingAudioPart2.pdf> ). 

*	Published together in 2009 and labeled as a set in Part 2.
















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