Re: [updated] EvalTF agenda

Regrets for today.  I do have some comments, though I didn't have a lot of
time to devote to the review of the two sections mentioned last night.

Step 3.f: The phrase 'web pages that are completely identical' seems
strange to me when talking about redundancy.  It is highly doubtful that
this would ever occur so I'm not sure why that is called out. There might
be templates that are used to add text content or images to, but the entire
web page won't be completely identical (the informational content is
different) but the programmatic/HTML part of the content is identical.

Step 4.a: I agree that the paragraph about personas, user testing, etc.
should be removed as it is out of scope for WCAG 2.0 testing. It is great
to do, but I think we need to stick with the more direct methods of testing
for this document since this isn't absolutely required for conformance.

I agree with the part of the comment 66 where Loic says:
      "I would like to have guidance outlining a process such as:
       a) Look for failures (as published)
       b) If no failures are found, check if any SC fails

There is a danger in listing focused testing that something important will
be left out. To me, there are also visual aspects that are important in
assessment - something that affects a very large proportion of users (10%)
and that isn't called out in this list.

The templates note also causes me some issues. While I agree that you don't
want to test a template alone, you do want include in your sampling of web
pages on that have utilized a template as this could reveal issues with the
template.


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From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
To: "public-wai-evaltf@w3.org" <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>,
Date: 10/30/2013 06:36 PM
Subject: [updated] EvalTF agenda



Dear Eval TF,

Some specific sections to focus on for tomorrow's discussion are:

# Step 3.f: Eliminate Redundancies in the Sample (Optional)
  - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131014#step3f

  - previous agreement to eliminate this section by adapting the others
  - any other perspectives meanwhile? otherwise we will implement it

# Step 4.a: Check web pages for WCAG2.0 conformance requirements
  - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131014#step4a

  - can and should we provide more guidance at this stage?
  - if so, how would that guidance look like?

Feel free to send any comments or thoughts to the list ahead of the
meeting as well. Looking forward to a good discussion on these items.

Best,
   Shadi


On 30.10.2013 21:52, Velleman, Eric wrote:
> Dear Eval TF,
>
> The next teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 31 Oktober 2013 at:
>    * 15:00 to 16:00 UTC
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>
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>
> We also use IRC to support the meeting: (http://irc.w3.org)
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>
>
> AGENDA:
>
> #1. Welcome
>
> #2. Discussion about changes to Editor Draft
> Latest editor drafts:
> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130903>
> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131014>
>
> Changes and discussion:
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Oct/0005.html>
>
> #3. Other issues
>
>
>

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Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office
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