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RE: 100% conformance for the pages sampled...

From: Léonie Watson <lwatson@nomensa.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:14:16 +0000
To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>, "public-wai-evaltf@w3.org" <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
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	If I understand correctly, WCAG conformance relates to a single page, not to an entire website. I'd be interested in people's thoughts on how this might (or might not) influence our thinking about an error margin?


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-----Original Message-----
From: Detlev Fischer [mailto:fischer@dias.de] 
Sent: 19 January 2012 21:58
To: public-wai-evaltf@w3.org
Subject: Re: 100% conformance for the pages sampled...

Let's stop here and consider the implications.

Here and then, people in the EVAL TF have agreed that the 100% conformant site does not really exist 'out there'. Aren't we holding the bone a wee bit too high? I wonder what that will mean for the practical acceptance of the methodology. Will it come to be derided as academic, as impossibly demanding? Who then is the customer of a (sorry, chap) refused seal of conformance who bows to gracefully accept the list of flaws to rectify? Just wondering...it just strikes me as slightly surreal...


Quoting RichardWarren <richard.warren@userite.com>:

> Dear Alistair and All,
> Having just spent a fortune getting my son's car through its MOT I 
> have to agree with Alistair 100%. Our task is to establish a 
> methodology for evaluating website accessibility. If the evaluation 
> identifies that the site fully meets the guidelines then a conformance 
> claim can be made to that effect. Everyone will know exactly what that 
> means.
> If the site "almost" meets the guidelines then perhaps some other form 
> of "compliance statement" can be made - BUT that is not our current 
> problem. Maybe, once we have finished our methodology, we can 
> recommend a new task force to look at variance in conformance claims 
> <grin>.
> Regards
> Richard
> -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Garrison
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:02 PM
> To: Eval TF
> Subject: 100% conformance for the pages sampled...
> Dear All,
> If I understood correctly from this afternoon's EVAL TF telecon - 
> there was a suggestion that we should (at a minimum) require the 
> representative sample pages to be in 100% conformance with WCAG 2.0 
> (at the chosen level) in order to say the site conforms (at that 
> level).  If this was the case, I strongly agree with it (meant to 
> write it in the IRC at the time).
> In addition, I noted from some a worry about telling a website owner 
> (a client, etc) that their website doesn't conform - especially when 
> they might have tried hard to do so.  To my mind, worries of this kind 
> should not deter us from asking for nothing less than 100% conformance 
> (on any given sample). The person that does the MOT on my car has 
> absolutely no worries about telling me about any failures, but 
> possibly that's because everyone doing MOTs requires 100% conformance 
> from a car for a pass.
> Surely, we want people to try their absolute best to conform 100%.   
> We must encourage them to shoot for the stars (100% conformance) - 
> some, of course, will initially only hit the moon, but they will at 
> least know what is expected from them... Let's not, however, start to 
> congratulate people for simply getting off the ground - that time must 
> have passed long, long, long ago.
> Anyway, look forward to seeing you all on the list.
> Alistair

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