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Re: w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]

From: <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:18:11 +0300
To: Stephen Zilles <steve@zilles.org>, Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>
Cc: Revising W3C Process Community Group <public-w3process@w3.org>
Message-Id: <322661423045091@webcorp01f.yandex-team.ru>
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Hi Steve,

I also support the proposal to remove the default. Can we get a determination of consensus before the next TF meeting?

cheers

03.02.2015, 20:36, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>>  On Feb 3, 2015, at 6:55 , Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>  OK I understand now and agree it's simplest to remove the default.
>
> yes, amend the process to remove such details.  the process should specify what’s possible, perhaps, but specifying the default is micro-engineering.
>>  On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:14 AM, "chaals@yandex-team.ru" <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>  02.02.2015, 21:42, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>>>>>  On Jan 31, 2015, at 18:24 , chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  30.01.2015, 22:45, "Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH)" <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>:
>>>>>>>   Does there need to be a default channel?
>>>>>>  What problem does the default channel cause that would be worth even a tiny amount of effort to fix?
>>>>>  Someone might ask why there is a default channel that isn't respected in practice. Or why W3C doesn't follow it's own process - and someone might waste time trying to justify what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>  The tiny amount of effort required is in fact smaller than explaining it, so we have now expanded the necessary work.
>>>>  I’m lost.  When I do a review, there is an option at the top, which seems to have a different default than the one you say, but maybe that’s a bug:
>>>>
>>>>  <Screen Shot 2015-02-02 at 10.39.37 .png>
>>>>
>>>>  I agree that we should normally conduct our business member-visible, so I think the form is right in this default.  Is that the question, that we should align the process and practice?
>>>  My suggestion is that we just remove the requirement for a default.
>>>
>>>  The alternative would be to make member-visible default.
>>>
>>>  I believe the change in practice came about based on an AC meeting, possibly one of those at Lyon, so insisting that W3C follow the process we have now seems like a dumb idea.
>>>
>>>  cheers
>>>>>  cheers
>>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>  From: Revising W3C Process Community Group Issue Tracker [mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org]
>>>>>>  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:23 AM
>>>>>>  To: public-w3process@w3.org
>>>>>>  Subject: w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/154
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Raised by: Charles McCathie Nevile
>>>>>>  On product: Process Document
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This should be a tiny issue, so I hope we can resolve it in passing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In section 8.1.1 on AC reviews it says [1] [[[The Team must provide two channels for Advisory Committee review comments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    +  an archived Team-only channel; this is the default channel for reviews.
>>>>>>   ]]]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Does there need to be a default channel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I would suggest not, others have suggested it is helpful - and others have suggested it is helpful if it is to publish it to the world.
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>>>  chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>>  David Singer
>>>>  Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>>>  --
>>>  Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>  chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>  <Screen Shot 2015-02-02 at 10.39.37 .png>
>
> David Singer
> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.

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Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
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