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Re: w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]

From: Wayne Carr <wayne.carr@linux.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:58:00 -0800
Message-ID: <54D25DA8.40703@linux.intel.com>
To: chaals@yandex-team.ru, Stephen Zilles <steve@zilles.org>, Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>
CC: Revising W3C Process Community Group <public-w3process@w3.org>
this seems obviously the right thing to do and there are no objections

On 2015-02-04 02:18, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
> + steve@, szilles@
> - all
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> Hi Steve,
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> I also support the proposal to remove the default. Can we get a determination of consensus before the next TF meeting?
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> cheers
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> 03.02.2015, 20:36, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>>>   On Feb 3, 2015, at 6:55 , Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com> wrote:
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>>>   OK I understand now and agree it's simplest to remove the default.
>> yes, amend the process to remove such details.  the process should specify what’s possible, perhaps, but specifying the default is micro-engineering.
>>>   On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:14 AM, "chaals@yandex-team.ru" <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>>   02.02.2015, 21:42, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>>>>>>   On Jan 31, 2015, at 18:24 , chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   30.01.2015, 22:45, "Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH)" <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>:
>>>>>>>>    Does there need to be a default channel?
>>>>>>>   What problem does the default channel cause that would be worth even a tiny amount of effort to fix?
>>>>>>   Someone might ask why there is a default channel that isn't respected in practice. Or why W3C doesn't follow it's own process - and someone might waste time trying to justify what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The tiny amount of effort required is in fact smaller than explaining it, so we have now expanded the necessary work.
>>>>>   I’m lost.  When I do a review, there is an option at the top, which seems to have a different default than the one you say, but maybe that’s a bug:
>>>>>
>>>>>   <Screen Shot 2015-02-02 at 10.39.37 .png>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I agree that we should normally conduct our business member-visible, so I think the form is right in this default.  Is that the question, that we should align the process and practice?
>>>>   My suggestion is that we just remove the requirement for a default.
>>>>
>>>>   The alternative would be to make member-visible default.
>>>>
>>>>   I believe the change in practice came about based on an AC meeting, possibly one of those at Lyon, so insisting that W3C follow the process we have now seems like a dumb idea.
>>>>
>>>>   cheers
>>>>>>   cheers
>>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>   From: Revising W3C Process Community Group Issue Tracker [mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org]
>>>>>>>   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>   To: public-w3process@w3.org
>>>>>>>   Subject: w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   w3process-ISSUE-154 (AC review default confidenitality): SHould there be a default confidentiality level for AC reviews? [Process Document]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/154
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Raised by: Charles McCathie Nevile
>>>>>>>   On product: Process Document
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   This should be a tiny issue, so I hope we can resolve it in passing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   In section 8.1.1 on AC reviews it says [1] [[[The Team must provide two channels for Advisory Committee review comments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     +  an archived Team-only channel; this is the default channel for reviews.
>>>>>>>    ]]]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Does there need to be a default channel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I would suggest not, others have suggested it is helpful - and others have suggested it is helpful if it is to publish it to the world.
>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>   Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>>>>   chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>>>   David Singer
>>>>>   Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>>>>   --
>>>>   Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>>   chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>   <Screen Shot 2015-02-02 at 10.39.37 .png>
>> David Singer
>> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
> chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
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