W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-w3process@w3.org > October 2014

RE: CfC: create a public list to announce new publications; deadline Oct 15

From: Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:25:15 +0000
To: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
CC: public-w3process <public-w3process@w3.org>
Message-ID: <07f6718513ec4b7b9a25e826201e1792@BLUPR02MB180.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:04 AM
> To: Jeff Jaffe
> Cc: public-w3process
> Subject: Re: CfC: create a public list to announce new publications; deadline
> Oct 15
> On 10/8/14 10:41 AM, Jeff Jaffe wrote:
> >
> > On 10/8/2014 7:09 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote:
> >> In the spirit of facilitating and increasing the likelihood of early
> >> and wide document reviews, a number of people in thread [1] voiced
> >> support for creating a Public list the Publications team would use to
> >> announce publications of FPWDs, LCWDs, 2014-preCRs and CRs. This is a
> >> Call for Consensus (CfC) to create such a list and for the
> >> Publications team to use it when these types of documents are published.
> >>
> >> If anyone has any comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply
> >> by Oct 15.
> >
> > I support this proposal.  We may need more [2], but this would be a
> > good start.
> I didn't see any objections to this CfC and I added the requests from David,
> Tim and others for what I'd characterize as "dashboard like"
> solutions to the [Dashboard] wiki.
[SZ] I did not object to the proposed announcement list in priniciple, but do have a number of concerns about the content of the Wiki. It says, for example, that " in other versions [of the Process], groups are free to create their own review requirements." I am unaware of any such version. Perhaps most importantly, Process 2014 says the requirement is to show there has been Wide Review (and implicitly) says that announcing review is open is not evidence there has been Wide Review. I do note that in the actual FAQs and suggestions there is appropriate emphasis on getting responses from reviewers and the Process notes that showing responses from an appropriate range of reviewers is a good way to establish evidence of Wide Review.  

Secondly, the Wiki makes references to "Last Call" (and LC). Given this has Patent Policy considerations and Process 2014 says that CR is what is meant by Last Call in the Patent Policy, it seems confusing to inject Last Call into the discussion of the announcement mailing list (unless such references are qualified to refer only to versions of the Process prior to Process 2014.

I think the Wiki provides a good basis for using the Announcement List, but I think more needs to be done to set proper expectations for the users of the list. I am happy to work with you, either by making edits to the Wiki or making suggestions to fix the above issues.

Finally, for this list to be useful for the public part of review, there needs to be a plan to socialize the existence of the list (either on the W3C website or elsewhere). 

Steve Z
> WRT moving forward with this proposal, do you want me to ask SysReq to
> create public-review-announce or should I create an action for you or
> someone else? After the list is created, I'll update [DocumentReview]
> accordingly.
> After that, someone should notify the chairs list about the new list's
> availability and expected usage. (I can do this if you want but am happy to
> defer to staff.)
> -AB
> [Dashboard]
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Dashboard#Document_Review_Dashboard
> [DocumentReview] https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview
Received on Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:25:45 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:35:12 UTC