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Re: 2014 Process: WD -> CR difficulties

From: <timeless@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:01:07 -0400
Message-ID: <20141001140107.6328409.46445.3730@gmail.com>
To: public-w3process@w3.org

> TTWG has chosen to adopt the 2014 process for all its recommendation track products in development.
> I understand that we're about to go through this
process first of all working groups.

Thanks for volunteering to work out the chinks in our process. 

> We recently wanted to transition one document to CR,
> but were advised that the requirements for getting to CR are the same as they were for exiting LC previously;
> yet without an LC we didn't have a clearly defined mechanism for meeting those requirements. 
> Specifically the need to demonstrate wide review seemed to be vague,
> and triggered a "we aren't sure what view the Director will take" response from staff,
> which, while true, wasn't ideal for them or us.

> We chose to issue a new WD and put out as big a call for review as possible.

I'm pretty sure that I didn't see it. I've mentioned occasionally that I want a stellar like this where I can listen for "documents pretty close to done where editorial feedback wouldn't be wasted". I've sent such feedback to a number of documents. But there isn't a hook for it in the (previous, current, or proposed) process. 

Can you point me to where it was announced? 

Searches I tried are at the end as [S*].
[S0] not current 
[S1] didn't hit domain 
[S2] mostly drowned by html 
[S3] mostly drowned by html 
[S4] mostly drowned by html 
[S5] not announcements 
[S6] got me to the charter 

> 2. Create an independent "wide review" process step that may be applied
> to any document (in WD or CR) for use whenever wide review may be required;
> recommend that this is executed at least once on at least one WD prior to requesting transition to CR,


+1

> and that if there's significant change between the wide review and the version that's being transitioned
> to CR then continued review needs to be demonstrated.



If you don't mind, I'd like to highlight some related problems:

 > **PROPOSED** Timed Text Working Group Charter [1]

* I can't get from here to the current charter -- it should be in the top block 
* I don't know when the current charter expires -- it  should be at the top block 
* I can't find the home page -- it should be at the top 
> 2.2 Milestones 
> Note: The group will document significant changes from this initial schedule on the group home page. 
> 5. Communication 
> Information about the group (deliverables, participants, face-to-face meetings,
> teleconferences, etc.) is available from the Timed Text Working Group home page 

Timed Text Working Group
Delivering Captioning and Video Description for the Web [2]

* I can't find a nice table like the one in [1]
 
‎> See the publication dashboard [3].

This doesn't explain why I would follow the link. If it's related to the charter Milestones table, it'd be nice if it said so. We're the W3, surely we could embed this table instead of requiring me to follow the link? 

Note that the charter mentioned "deliverables". The closest on the home page is Publications. Although the test suite and friends also count. It'd be helpful if the Deliverables category listing was carried over to the home page. I shouldn't have to go to the charter to find out what you're delivering. And ideally the pieces that matter can carry over. 

TimedText/Publications [3]
 
* This document is nowhere near as pretty as the table in [1].
* The table here doesn't fit on my mobile device (much larger font? ), whereas the milestone table worked fine 
* I shouldn't have to scroll to the far right to see "competed" -- the completed items should be in a separate table 


[1] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/
[3] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications
[S0] http://www.google.com/search?q=ttml%20lc&hl=en-US
[S1] http://www.google.com/search?q=ttml+cr
[S2] http://www.google.com/search?q=ttml+cr+w3
[S3] http://www.google.com/search?q=ttml+cr+w3+2014
[S4]  http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Bttml+cr+w3+2014
[S5] http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Bttml+cr+w3+2014+-html
[S6] http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Bttml+cr+w3+2014+ttwg
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