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Re: Open and Transparent W3C Community Group Proposed

From: Jean-Charles (JC) Verdiť <jicheu@yahoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:30:05 +0200
Message-ID: <53E31CED.5020800@yahoo.fr>
To: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
CC: Revising W3C Process Community Group <public-w3process@w3.org>, W3C Members <w3c-ac-forum@w3.org>, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
Hi all,

I share the unhappiness about this group name raised by David.

Actually, I fully share his point of view that this group's name is an
insult to the W3C, and I would even say it carries a lie by misleading
people to believe W3C is neither open nor transparent at all.

If it's on purpose then we have a big problem when such group is created
by people who are supposed to help providing advices to the staff.

If it's not on purpose, then the problem might be even bigger.

What is the process for asking the removal of a CG?

Regards
JC


David Singer wrote:
> I would like to suggest a process revision:  that no CG be created until 1 week has elapsed from its proposal.  This gives (a really tiny amount of) time for AC and staff review.
> 
> As I note elsewhere, this groupís name is inappropriate.  A CG may be inappropriate for a whole host of other reasons.
> 
> Is it really reasonable to complain that a group, proposed on a Sunday, has not been created by Monday morning?
> 
> On Aug 4, 2014, at 6:26 , Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> This proposal already has more than five supporters so why has the group not been created?
>>
>> On 8/3/14 7:09 PM, "ext Do Not Reply" <nobody@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>> The Open and Transparent W3C Community Group has been proposed:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Although the World Wide Web (WWW) is an open and free information
>> system, participation in the member-based World Wide Web Consortium
>> (W3C) typically requires paying a membership fee to participate in the
>> Consortium's standards setting groups. As such, the W3C is often
>> criticized as a closed organization by those that are not members of the
>> Consortium. This group aspires to help provide non Members with simple
>> mechanisms to provide feedback to the Consortium (the Consortium's
>> Members and the Consortium's Staff) on topics such as (but not limited
>> to): areas where new Web standards are needed (e.g. to help address some
>> interoperability pain point), Consortium priorities, the evolution of
>> the Web, aligning Consortium's activities with the Web, collaboration
>> with other organizations, etc.
>>
>>
>> Anyone - including non-Members - is welcome and encouraged to join this
>> group. Participants include technical contributors to Web standards, Web
>> standards Editors and group Chairs. The group also includes participants
>> from the Consortium's "Advisory Committee" and at least one member of
>> the Consortium's elected Advisory Board. Additionally, the group
>> welcomes members of the Consortium's staff.
>>
>>
>> If someone wants to communicate with this group but does not want to
>> formally join it, that's OK; just send an email to the group's mail
>> list: public-openw3c@w3.org (see   for the list archive and RSS feed
>> information).
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are invited to support the creation of this group:
>>  http://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed#openw3c
>>
>> Once the group has a total of five supporters, it will be launched and
>> people can join to begin work. Once launched, the group will no longer
>> be listed as "proposed"; it will appear in the list of current groups:
>>  http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
>>
>> In order to support the group, you will need a W3C account. To request one:
>>  http://www.w3.org/community/account/request
>>
>> If you believe that there is an issue with this group that requires
>> the attention of the W3C staff, please send us email on
>> site-comments@w3.org.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> W3C Community Development Team
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> David Singer
> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> 
> 
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