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Re: VisualArtwork

From: Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:55:17 +0100
Message-ID: <5345A5A5.3040009@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
To: public-vocabs@w3.org, Dan Scott <dan@coffeecode.net>
On 07/04/14 16:37, Dan Scott wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 08:09:01PM +0100, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
> <snip> to focus on VisualArtwork specifically
>
>> http://sdo-culture-bundle.appspot.com/VisualArtwork
>>
>> This doesn't have examples yet, and there are some overlaps with
>> existing property usage that need addressing, but it should soon give
>> us a unified view of cultural heritage-related improvements.
>
> Per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Jan/0000.html
>
> * "materials" attribute should be "material"; embrace the singular(ity)!
> * "artEdition" attribute is not there; maybe a few words about the
>   intention there (e.g. if the thought is that it's too specific and
>   "description" might suffice, or perhaps Product/productID if one
>   wants specificity?)

I'll try to get a good example marked up and added to the wiki using 
artEdition this weekend.

artEdition is definitely different from productID.

A quick example from the internet - for this Andy Warhol print:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANDY-WARHOL-DOLLAR-SIGN-RED-SIGNED-HAND-NUMBERED-2097-3000-LITHOGRAPH-/201051553410

The value of artEdition would be '3000' because it's an "edition of 
3000" - " or "limited edition of 3000", but the word "limited" generally 
isn't used in fine art printmaking as any edition is by definition limited.

>
> When an example is added, it should demonstrate both how to describe a
> VisualArtwork entity and how to use the "encoding" property to lead to
> an "ImageObject" which offers a version of the artwork.

I can certainly add some examples demonstrating how to describe a 
VisualArtwork entity (again, I'll try to get these done this weekend). I 
have to admit I'm not entirely sure how to 'use the "encoding" property 
to lead to an "ImageObject" which offers a version of the artwork'. I'm 
a Web Developer and an Artist, and I'm still learning my way around the 
more detailed aspects of schema.org, so any help/guidance would be 
appreciated. Presume I know nothing and you can't go wrong!

>
> I find the "artform" property problematic, as it seems to conflict with
> more specific types such as "Sculpture"; I would have anticipated
> VisualArtwork to be the base class for Sculpture (along with the
> examples that Niklas mentioned), and guidance to use multi-types to
> express more specific kinds of artwork where no more specific types
> exist in schema.org (for example,
> http://www.productontology.org/id/Assemblage_%28art%29 and
> http://www.productontology.org/id/Collage ?)

I have no objections to this.

My original aim on introducing the "artform" property was to replace the 
"Sculpture" and "Painting" types with a single VisualArtwork type where 
the specific artform could be defined using this artform property. My 
thinking was that this was better than inventing 1001 more types to 
describe all the various fine art media that are not either "Sculpture" 
or "Painting".

Your suggestion above does that, and probably does it more elegantly 
than my original suggestion.

>
> I'd really like it if the "image" property had a range of VisualArtwork
> so that the cover art for books / comics / etc and the photos in
> articles could get a proper description & credits, rather than just a
> URL per "image" or "thumbnailURL". I posted more extensive thoughts
> about relatively simple changes that would enable richer descriptions
> of cover art and thumbnails at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schemabibex/2013Nov/0091.html
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>

Thanks,
Paul
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