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Re: LocalBusinessDepartment proposal for schema.org.

From: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:47:08 +0200
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
Message-Id: <64C23BC0-6D87-491B-97C4-006B7FC102CA@ebusiness-unibw.org>
To: James McKinney <james@slashpoundbang.com>
Hi Dan, all:

I am not convinced that mixing places with legal entities / groups makes sense, so it is IMO better to define LocalBusinessDepartment as a subtype of


We could then simply promote the 'openingHoursSpecification' property to 


and would be all set.

This is also conceptually cleaner, since departments always have a physical extension while they need not be distinct organizational entities.


On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:39 AM, James McKinney wrote:

>> On 5 March 2013 17:23, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com
>>> wrote:
>>> Here's a draft of a proposal for a LocalBusinessDepartment addition to
>>> schema.org. It is pretty small. Basic idea is that some larger 'local
>>> businesses' have a variety of named departments, which are worth
>>> describing as independent entities (e.g. opening hours etc.).
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment
>>> The suggestion is for one new type, LocalBusinessDepartment, alongside
>>> a pair of properties (department / departmentOf) that associate a
>>> LocalBusinessDepartment with a LocalBusiness. For simplicity a
>>> LocalBusinessDepartment is also considered a LocalBusiness (thus
>>> inheriting all applicable properties, our primary goal).
>>> I'll try to flesh out with some full markup examples, but I hope this
>>> sketch is enough to get some discussion moving.
>> In light of subsequent discussion, I've updated the wiki page at
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment
>> The proposal is simpler now. We augment "Organization" with the
>> ability to point to a department, which is just another Organization
>> (or, implicitly, one of its more specific subtypes). We have
>> departmentOf as an inverse pointer.
>> Also we would generalise the 'openingHoursSpecification' property
>> (which takes the similarly named OpeningHoursSpecification type as a
>> value); instead of only applying to a LocalBusiness, we allow it to
>> apply potentially to any Organization.
>> See 
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment#Overview
>> This seems a pretty tiny change that brings a lot of useful
>> functionality. Any objections or shall we move ahead with it?
>> Dan
> I would prefer the term "subOrganizationOf" from the ORG vocabulary [1]. Not every division of an organization is a "department". Some are divisions, or offices or bureaus, etc. subOrganizationOf is agnostic to the classification of the organization being described. "departmentOf" labels the object as a "department" which is not the intention.
> James
> 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#org:subOrganizationOf

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