W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-vocabs@w3.org > August 2013

Re: LocalBusinessDepartment proposal for schema.org.

From: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:47:08 +0200
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
Message-Id: <64C23BC0-6D87-491B-97C4-006B7FC102CA@ebusiness-unibw.org>
To: James McKinney <james@slashpoundbang.com>
Hi Dan, all:

I am not convinced that mixing places with legal entities / groups makes sense, so it is IMO better to define LocalBusinessDepartment as a subtype of

    http://schema.org/Place
or
    http://schema.org/LocalBusiness

We could then simply promote the 'openingHoursSpecification' property to 

    http://schema.org/Place 

and would be all set.

This is also conceptually cleaner, since departments always have a physical extension while they need not be distinct organizational entities.

Martin

On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:39 AM, James McKinney wrote:

>> On 5 March 2013 17:23, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com
>>> wrote:
>>> Here's a draft of a proposal for a LocalBusinessDepartment addition to
>>> schema.org. It is pretty small. Basic idea is that some larger 'local
>>> businesses' have a variety of named departments, which are worth
>>> describing as independent entities (e.g. opening hours etc.).
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment
>> 
>>> 
>>> The suggestion is for one new type, LocalBusinessDepartment, alongside
>>> a pair of properties (department / departmentOf) that associate a
>>> LocalBusinessDepartment with a LocalBusiness. For simplicity a
>>> LocalBusinessDepartment is also considered a LocalBusiness (thus
>>> inheriting all applicable properties, our primary goal).
>>> 
>>> I'll try to flesh out with some full markup examples, but I hope this
>>> sketch is enough to get some discussion moving.
>> 
>> In light of subsequent discussion, I've updated the wiki page at
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment
>> 
>> 
>> The proposal is simpler now. We augment "Organization" with the
>> ability to point to a department, which is just another Organization
>> (or, implicitly, one of its more specific subtypes). We have
>> departmentOf as an inverse pointer.
>> 
>> Also we would generalise the 'openingHoursSpecification' property
>> (which takes the similarly named OpeningHoursSpecification type as a
>> value); instead of only applying to a LocalBusiness, we allow it to
>> apply potentially to any Organization.
>> 
>> See 
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/LocalBusinessDepartment#Overview
>> 
>> 
>> This seems a pretty tiny change that brings a lot of useful
>> functionality. Any objections or shall we move ahead with it?
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> I would prefer the term "subOrganizationOf" from the ORG vocabulary [1]. Not every division of an organization is a "department". Some are divisions, or offices or bureaus, etc. subOrganizationOf is agnostic to the classification of the organization being described. "departmentOf" labels the object as a "department" which is not the intention.
> 
> James
> 
> 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#org:subOrganizationOf
> 

--------------------------------------------------------
martin hepp
e-business & web science research group
universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen

e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
         http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
skype:   mfhepp 
twitter: mfhepp

Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
=================================================================
* Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
Received on Wednesday, 28 August 2013 07:47:33 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 21:29:29 UTC