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Re: Comment versus UserComments

From: Adrian Giurca <giurca@tu-cottbus.de>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:31:32 +0100
Message-ID: <4F17E2F4.8020303@tu-cottbus.de>
To: Daniel Dulitz <daniel@google.com>
CC: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, Stéphane Corlosquet <scorlosquet@gmail.com>, public-vocabs@w3.org
Sorry to get so directly in discussion...

I believe that potential
http://schema.org/Comment shoud encode the creative work by someone 
while http://schema.org/UserComments encodes the action event of doing a 
comment.

In fact, the property discusses:CreativeWork of UserComments looks to 
confirm this view: An UserComments is an action event of an user that 
post a Comment (as Creative Work) referred by "discusses".

Therefore I would say that introducing http://schema.org/Comment is a 
straight solution. In addition "discusses" may refer 
http://schema.org/Comment

I hope it helps,
- Adrian Giurca

On 1/19/2012 2:31 AM, Daniel Dulitz wrote:
> Thanks to both of you for getting this kicked off.
>
> Here are some examples of pages that I think could guide this:
>
> http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32069983&postID=7424272840613555167 
> <http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32069983&postID=7424272840613555167>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/keystone-pipeline-obama-administration_n_1213136.html 
> [at the bottom]
> http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/f-b-i-makes-insider-trading-arrests/ 
> [inside the comment block inserted by Javascript]
> http://sportsnation.espn.go.com/fans/mooseisbeast3599/
> http://www.youtube.com/user/4thawt/feed
>
> Some of those are comments, some of those are favorites or likes, etc.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:21, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org 
> <mailto:danbri@danbri.org>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks Daniel for raising this, and Stéphane for digging out the
>     previous discussion.
>
>     Let's get this fixed. I've raised an issue to track this as
>     https://www.w3.org/2011/webschema/track/issues/12
>     with the summary "Comment is under UserInteractions not CreativeWork;
>     the former focus on aggregation". This does not capture all the
>     nuances but I've linked the full threads from the tracker.
>
>     Couple of brief points for now:
>
>     1. Even though we don't assert that Comment is subclass of
>     CreativeWork, we also don't anywhere assert that no comments are
>     CreativeWorks. It might be there are some idioms where treating some
>     comments as creative works in this way is useful.
>     2. Yes, Schema.org's use of plurality for class (and property) names
>     is unconventional. I've amended
>     https://www.w3.org/2011/webschema/track/issues/5 (which is about
>     plural usage in property names) to note the class situation needs
>     handling too.
>
>     Can we get a couple of sample real-world pages that can guide our
>     decisions here? Stéphane - do you have something from Drupal 7 maybe?
>
>     cheers,
>
>     Dan
>
>
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