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Re: [webvtt] Rename "line position" to "line offset". (#194)

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:01:36 +1000
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2m48UoEo=VJ1i9MaBdLK8D499fJ1VGHD41Vo42MKVTWuw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Cc: David Singer <singer@apple.com>, W3C Public TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/06/2015 01:12, "Silvia Pfeiffer" <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:19 AM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 13:09 , Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [not sure why this thread suddenly included the TTWG - it was merely
>>>> on the github bug before for WebVTT]
>>>
>>> I was hoping to raise its visibility, in that I knew that my idea
>>>(below, critiqued) was weak, but maybe someone else had a better idea…
>>
>>If somebody has a better idea for a term that an offset from the top
>>for describing the positioning of a box of lines from the top of the
>>video viewport, that would be helpful. I still believe "offset" works
>>better than "position" for this case.
>
> I thought part of the problem we are trying to solve is that the offset
> direction is dependent on the writing direction, so the offset might be
> from the left for vertical writing or the top for horizontal writing.

Yes it is. I used "top" for simplicity in the above description - it
was indeed incomplete.

> That's why I proposed the terms inline and block. If that's not the case
> then why don't we just use "position-horizontal" and "position-vertical"
> respectively?

The cause for the change was that using the word "position" for both
directions wass really confusing.

I've amended words in a new pull request but stuck with the word
"offset" since it clearly explains that we are offsetting from the
video viewport edge. I believe the new wording is actually really
clear.

Regards,
Silvia.

>>>> I don't think those concepts are what we're actually dealing with.
>>>> Leading is the whitespace between lines
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading),
>>>
>>> well, or the whitespace before a paragraph, which is closer this
>>>meaning.  It has at least the advantage of being in the block
>>>progression dimension.
>>
>>I've not seen "leading" used for whitespace offset in block
>>progression. "Line leading" reads a bit harder than "line offset",
>>too.
>>
>>
>>>> not the distance from the top
>>>> of the page (which is what our "line" setting provides). Indent may
>>>> have worked, but we're already using "position”.
>>>
>>> yup.  major name changes might be confusing…
>>
>>We should stick with "line" and "position" as the names, but we're
>>after better words for describing what they mean.
>
> I'd be happy to change the names - I think they're where the confusion
> begins for newcomers. Accepted it would also create confusion for those
> who are used to the current terminology.
>
> Nigel
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Silvia.
>
>
>
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