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Re: ACTION-212: Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal

From: Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:03:19 -0500
To: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, <public-tracking@w3.org>
CC: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Message-ID: <CCCE8937.25F61%achapell@chapellassociates.com>
I agree -- specifying exact wording isn't a great idea - but that's not
what I'm suggesting.

Setting the expectation that UA's communicate DNT functionality clearly
and completely addresses the very real possibility that some UA's will
characterize DNT functionality in a way that is a) unclear, b) filled with
hyperbole, or those that c) enact DNT without even telling Users.

While I think that public, marketplace and regulatory pressure might
address c), I tend to doubt that they will address a) and b).

I'm a bit surprised that this is so controversial. After all, the goal
here is to provide consumer's with informed choice, correct?


On 11/18/12 12:35 PM, "Rigo Wenning" <rigo@w3.org> wrote:

>On Thursday 15 November 2012 15:46:14 David Singer wrote:
>> > łThe User Agent MUST make available explanatory text to provide more
>> > detailed information about DNT functionality within easy and direct
>> > access for the particular environment prior to DNT being enabled.˛
>> and all sites will, of course, be mandated to do the same or better for
>> exception requests?
>
><joke>
>YES! All sides MUST implement P3P to fulfill DNT! After 10 years, the
>magic 
>bullet to get ubiquituous P3P adoption.
></joke>
>
>I thought we have always worked under the assumption that we do not
>proscribe 
>UA GUI. Because my experience is that we can write whatever we want into
>a 
>Specification, but UAs won' t necessarily honor that. UI is where
>browsers 
>compete. While some simple, well-tested proscribed text would probably
>create 
>some kind of a circuit where users better understand and adapt their
>expectations, I don't see momentum.
>
>I rather think that it creates an eco-system where browser that promise
>too 
>much can be punished by users who are deceived and by sites responding
>that 
>they won't honor. And we'll see waves into one or the other direction
>before 
>it stabilizes. 
>
>Rigo
>
>
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