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Re: ISSUE-4 and clarity regarding browser defaults

From: Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:50:13 -0400
Message-ID: <4FE2A805.2090703@cippic.ca>
To: rob@blaeu.com
CC: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, Matthias Schunter <mts-std@schunter.org>, "publ >> \"public-tracking@w3.org\"" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Yes, but the sense I'm getting is that the current spec sacrifices a 
great deal in certainty in ways that can get very simply taken care of 
by requiring UAs to get a user election.

That wouldn't really be overly prescriptive. UAs, plugins, etc., will 
have a great deal of leeway in how to go about doing this, when, etc.

On 6/21/2012 12:45 AM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
> Because an overly prescriptive objective will not leave room for other 
> ways to accomplish the same.
> In order to have a meaningful global DNT standard, it is important to 
> have technical building blocks built in.
>
> On 20-6-2012 20:34, Tamir Israel wrote:
>> If the WG's objective is to ensure user preferences are expressed, 
>> why don't we simply make this a MUST?
>>
>> On 6/20/2012 10:15 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>> Tnx Roy,
>>>
>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>> Normative: "... users MAY be given a choice during installation, 
>>> update or first startup."
>>>
>>> Non-normative:
>>> There are use cases, where a choice given on first startup would be 
>>> the preferred choice mechanism.
>>> For example,
>>> - a device can have multiple user profiles per installation;
>>> - in cases where browsers are not installed by the user.
>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On 20-6-2012 18:22, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>>> "... users may be given a choice during installation, update or 
>>>>> first startup."
>>>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>> Not during installation or update -- only during first use.
>>>> The preference should be stored in the user's browser config (along
>>>> with their other personal preferences); a device might want
>>>> to have multiple such user profiles per installation.
>>>>
>>>> In normal enterprise environments and the vast majority of purchased
>>>> computers, browsers are not installed by the user.  They are installed
>>>> by sysadmins, vendors, etc.  Likewise, updates should not modify
>>>> user preferences.
>>>>
>>>> ....Roy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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