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RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]

From: Paul Walsh, Segala <paulwalsh@segala.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:38:16 -0000
To: <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
Cc: "'Jeff Pollock'" <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
Message-Id: <20070316143817.C70411061CD5C@postie2.hosting365.ie>

Need to get those 4 projects out there and continue to improve them!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
On
> Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
> Sent: 16 March 2007 13:33
> To: public-sweo-ig@w3.org
> Cc: Jeff Pollock; W3C SWEO IG
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
> 
> 
> Ivan Herman wrote:
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> > Thanks for these slides Jeff. What was the reaction in the audience,
b.t.w.?
> >
> > Actually... what you say is interesting at one point: "The organizers
> > intent was to drive some controversy in the audience". I feel like
> > public figures being manipulated by journalists. Of course, it is good
> > for the organizers if there is controversy, that is their bread and
> > butter, but it is manipulation nevertheless...
> >
> Ivan,
> 
> Unfortunately we have the old media controversy model trumping eduction
> and enlightenment re. the Web. In a sense, this is a reflection of their
> inflection driven apprehension. The Semantic Web and too some degree W3C
> have become the softest of targets for this nonsense. O'Reilly naturally
> struggles with anything that equates to Web 2.0+. In short, traditional
> print media types just don't get it at all which leaves stirring the
> controversy pot the best option for filling up seats at these events.
> 
> Publishers grok blurb in the form of Web Content expressed in XML (at
> best). They don't understand granular data access or data modeling. And
> where there is some data appreciation then sharing is a no-no. The
> Semantic Web is about things they don't understand, and where
> understood, it totally turns their business models upside down. This is
> ultimately what we are up against :-)
> 
> That said, we simply continue to educate en route busting every myth out
> there!
> 
> Kingsley
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> > Ivan Herman wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff's original attachment was too large for the mailing list, so I
> >> added the file to our web site on the following URI:
> >>
> >> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/2007/Pollock.SDForum.Ontology-vs-
> Folksonomy.small.ppt
> >>
> >> Ivan
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: 	[Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] SDForum Ontology
vs.
> >> Folksonomy
> >> Date: 	Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:13:51 +0000
> >> From: 	Jeff Pollock <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >> Reply-To: 	<jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >> Organization: 	Oracle
> >> To: 	<semantic-tech_us@oracle.com>, "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-
> ig@w3.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oracle SemTech and W3C SWEO-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I gave a short panel talk in Palo Alto last night on the topic of
> >> â¬SOntology vs. Folksonomy, Tortoise and the Hare.⬝  The
organizers
> intent
> >> was to drive some controversy in the audience and I took the
opportunity
> >> to try and accomplish some Myth-Busting about the Semantic
Web⬦slides
> >> are attached.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards, -Jeff-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Oracle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff T. Pollock
> >> Senior Director
> >> Fusion Middleware
> >>
> >> Main:   800-ORACLE1
> >>
> >> Fax:    801-607-6504
> >>
> >> Web:    www.oracle.com <http://www.oracle.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Direct: 650-506-4700
> >>
> >> Mobile: 415-971-2223
> >>
> >> Email:  jeff.pollock@oracle.com <mailto:jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > - --
> >
> > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> > URL: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> > PGP Key: http://www.cwi.nl/%7Eivan/AboutMe/pgpkey.html
> > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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> 
> --
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog:
http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> President & CEO
> OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> 
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> 
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