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RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]

From: Jeff Pollock <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:37:15 -0700
To: "'Ivan Herman'" <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <008801c767e0$f9709a30$ec51ce90$@pollock@oracle.com>

Ivan-

Audience reaction was mixed. Some of the Web 2.0 advocates were rightfully defending the utility of tag library implementations at del.icio.us and amazon.com et al. It took some explanation to communicate the idea that these tag libraries, community developed or not, do nothing to aid data interop at a machine level. In the end, we all agreed that there are different use cases for Web 2.0 and Semantic Web (but I did make the point that semweb languages could subsume the existing approaches to Web 2.0 implementation). Another part of the audience still had trouble with the notion of inference. Word on the street about "ontology" is just that they are for classifying, as if all it is, is a way of defining buckets, that you would then tag things with. Lost to the Web 2.0 masses is the distinction between a "told" ontology vs. an "inferred" ontology (eg: materialized graphs)...we spent some time with examples of these.

The controversy IMHO is manufactured, but useful to turn out crowds of web developers.  But I guess it is sort of like talking to HTML coders about UML back in 1997.  (there's only so far you can go with it)

Best, -Jeff-


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From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:50 AM
To: Jeff Pollock
Cc: W3C SWEO IG
Subject: Re: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]

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Thanks for these slides Jeff. What was the reaction in the audience, b.t.w.?

Actually... what you say is interesting at one point: "The organizers
intent was to drive some controversy in the audience". I feel like
public figures being manipulated by journalists. Of course, it is good
for the organizers if there is controversy, that is their bread and
butter, but it is manipulation nevertheless...

Thanks again

Ivan

Ivan Herman wrote:
> Jeff's original attachment was too large for the mailing list, so I
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> Ivan
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	[Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] SDForum Ontology vs.
> Folksonomy
> Date: 	Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:13:51 +0000
> From: 	Jeff Pollock <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> Reply-To: 	<jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> Organization: 	Oracle
> To: 	<semantic-tech_us@oracle.com>, "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
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> Oracle SemTech and W3C SWEO-
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> I gave a short panel talk in Palo Alto last night on the topic of
> SOntology vs. Folksonomy, Tortoise and the Hare.⬝  The organizers intent
> was to drive some controversy in the audience and I took the opportunity
> to try and accomplish some Myth-Busting about the Semantic Web⬦slides
> are attached.
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> Regards, -Jeff-
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