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Re: Now it's RDF vs Microformats

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:01:19 -0500
Message-ID: <45E2E82F.3000406@openlinksw.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: public-sweo-ig@w3.org

Ivan Herman wrote:
> Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> [snip]
>> You could also have a little play with these RDF Browsers:
>> 1. http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/tests/rdfbrowser/index.html (note:
>> CSS and Layout beautification for Grandma etc is coming, but there is a
>> powerful concept demonstrated here re. Data Web Traversal by extending
>> the functionality of the (X)HTML anchor tag without breaking anything.
>> Data Access is fundamentally about lookup driven discovery)
> thanks for the link, kingsley. I played with it with my foaf file
> http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
> I am not sure I fully understood everything that was happening (eg, if I
> say order by 'knows' and then say 'group', I get an empty page saying
> 'false'; I also do not fully understand why certain person I know appear
> under the 'knows' filter and certain do not...). I presume this is still
> project-in-the-making...

It is a work in progress.
> But that goes beyond sweo for now.

The relevance to SWEO is: yet another demonstration of Data Web 
traversal. One for the list of usage scenarios (of the none speculative 

By Wednesday, you can use the same link and you will see improvements 
(anything I put out is inherently fluid; a characteristic of the Data 
Web). The same applies to the Dynamic Start Pages demo's from my recent 
blog posts.

The key point here is addressing the "Show something different, 
practical, and relevant from the world of RDF..." question. We have to 
be able to answer this question in a variety of forms. I am 
demonstrating how browsing actually differs in the Data Web realm when 
following typed data links.

Please understand that I am not asking SWEO to promote these things, I 
am simply trying to provide SWEO with reference material. It makes me 
cringe when I see other communities taking the: "Show me something 
relevant from the RDF realm...." stance re. the Semantic Web as the 
basis for undermining the Semantic Web vision.

As I have stated repeatedly, this is not about a single tool or demo, it 
is about a plethora or tools and demos that are centered around the 
power of RDF: integration of disparate data sources built atop disparate 
schemas. No other Web Technology realm has an answer for these issues 
(what I refer to as the "M" in the M-V-C patter of the Web).

> I also use Chris' Bizer Dolce sometimes. That is also a nice one.
Yes, they are all nice :-) We are all working together (even closer than 
may be obvious on the surface). We just need to get all relevant efforts 
out there in a coherent manner by leveraging the infrastructure that 
others provide.

> Ivan
>> 2. http://3ba.se/ (Ontowiki)
>> 3. http://demo.openlinksw.com/isparql (note the same underlying
>> technology drives item 1).
>> When playing with 1 or 2. Experiment with the following URLs as RDF Data
>> Source URIs:
>> 1.
>> http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity
>> 2. http://del.icio.us/events/sweo
>> 3. http://danbri.org
>> 4. http://dannyayers.com
>> 5. http://techcrunch.com
>> 6. http://vecosys.com
>> In each case, just click on the links presented in the results pages.
>> Hopefully, the difference between Hypertext Browsing and Data Web
>> browsing should become a little clearer :-)
>> Kingsley
>>>       _____________________________________________
>>>       *From: * public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
>>>       [_mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org_] * On Behalf Of* Paul
>>>       Walsh, Segala
>>>       *Sent: * 22 February 2007 11:20
>>>       *To: * 'W3C SWEO IG'
>>>       *Subject: * Now it's RDF vs Microformats
>>>       Thought some of you might like to comment on this [1]. I’m going
>>>       to write a post addressing the same topic but to counter Sam’s
>>>       misunderstanding and his failure to understand that Microformats
>>>       is (part of) the Semantic Web – addressing approximately 1% (+-
>>>       1% ;)) of the Semantic Web potential and using an extremely good
>>>       hacked method that’s not based on standards.
>>>       Ok now that I’ve said it without thinking properly (which can be
>>>       a good thing), what do you think about my use of the word hacked
>>>       (I won’t quote you).
>>>       I met David Recordon [2] last night and talked about OpenID and
>>>       how to get FOAF into the mix. This is something I’ve chatted
>>>       (briefly) about with Philip Hallam-Baker and Dan Brickley, who
>>>       have the same view. I’d like to push this conversation if anyone
>>>       here is interested in helping to make it a reality and not just
>>>       a conversation.
>>>       I’ll use my talk tonight [3] as an opportunity to spell out the
>>>       problems with the comparison above.
>>>       [1]*
>>> **_http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity/_*
>>>       [2]* **_http://daveman692.livejournal.com/_*
>>>       [3]* **_http://tinyurl.com/2sbqne_*
>>>       Cheers
>>>       Paul
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Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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