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Re: Now it's RDF vs Microformats

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:59:25 +0100
Message-ID: <45E3D6CD.2040100@w3.org>
To: kidehen@openlinksw.com
Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org


Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure I fully understood everything that was happening (eg, if I
>> say order by 'knows' and then say 'group', I get an empty page saying
>> 'false'; I also do not fully understand why certain person I know appear
>> under the 'knows' filter and certain do not...). I presume this is still
>> project-in-the-making...
>>   
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> It is a work in progress.
> 
>> But that goes beyond sweo for now.
>>   
> 
> 
> The relevance to SWEO is: yet another demonstration of Data Web
> traversal. One for the list of usage scenarios (of the none speculative
> variety).
> 

Kingsley, please, there is no reason to start this...:-) What I meant
is: possible errors, bugs, 'work in progress' status, etc, *is* beyond sweo!

Ivan


> By Wednesday, you can use the same link and you will see improvements
> (anything I put out is inherently fluid; a characteristic of the Data
> Web). The same applies to the Dynamic Start Pages demo's from my recent
> blog posts.
> 
> 
> The key point here is addressing the "Show something different,
> practical, and relevant from the world of RDF..." question. We have to
> be able to answer this question in a variety of forms. I am
> demonstrating how browsing actually differs in the Data Web realm when
> following typed data links.
> 
> Please understand that I am not asking SWEO to promote these things, I
> am simply trying to provide SWEO with reference material. It makes me
> cringe when I see other communities taking the: "Show me something
> relevant from the RDF realm...." stance re. the Semantic Web as the
> basis for undermining the Semantic Web vision.
> 
> As I have stated repeatedly, this is not about a single tool or demo, it
> is about a plethora or tools and demos that are centered around the
> power of RDF: integration of disparate data sources built atop disparate
> schemas. No other Web Technology realm has an answer for these issues
> (what I refer to as the "M" in the M-V-C patter of the Web).
> 
>> I also use Chris' Bizer Dolce sometimes. That is also a nice one.
>>
>>   
> 
> Yes, they are all nice :-) We are all working together (even closer than
> may be obvious on the surface). We just need to get all relevant efforts
> out there in a coherent manner by leveraging the infrastructure that
> others provide.
> 
> Kingsley
> 
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> 2. http://3ba.se/ (Ontowiki)
>>>
>>> 3. http://demo.openlinksw.com/isparql (note the same underlying
>>> technology drives item 1).
>>>
>>> When playing with 1 or 2. Experiment with the following URLs as RDF Data
>>> Source URIs:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. http://del.icio.us/events/sweo
>>> 3. http://danbri.org
>>> 4. http://dannyayers.com
>>> 5. http://techcrunch.com
>>> 6. http://vecosys.com
>>>
>>>
>>> In each case, just click on the links presented in the results pages.
>>> Hopefully, the difference between Hypertext Browsing and Data Web
>>> browsing should become a little clearer :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>       _____________________________________________
>>>>       *From: * public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
>>>>       [_mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org_] * On Behalf Of* Paul
>>>>       Walsh, Segala
>>>>       *Sent: * 22 February 2007 11:20
>>>>       *To: * 'W3C SWEO IG'
>>>>       *Subject: * Now it's RDF vs Microformats
>>>>
>>>>       Thought some of you might like to comment on this [1]. I’m
>>>> going
>>>>       to write a post addressing the same topic but to counter Sam’s
>>>>       misunderstanding and his failure to understand that Microformats
>>>>       is (part of) the Semantic Web – addressing approximately 1% (+-
>>>>       1% ;)) of the Semantic Web potential and using an extremely good
>>>>       hacked method that’s not based on standards.
>>>>
>>>>       Ok now that I’ve said it without thinking properly (which
>>>> can be
>>>>       a good thing), what do you think about my use of the word hacked
>>>>       (I won’t quote you).
>>>>
>>>>       I met David Recordon [2] last night and talked about OpenID and
>>>>       how to get FOAF into the mix. This is something I’ve chatted
>>>>       (briefly) about with Philip Hallam-Baker and Dan Brickley, who
>>>>       have the same view. I’d like to push this conversation if
>>>> anyone
>>>>       here is interested in helping to make it a reality and not just
>>>>       a conversation.
>>>>
>>>>       I’ll use my talk tonight [3] as an opportunity to spell out the
>>>>       problems with the comparison above.
>>>>
>>>>       [1]*
>>>>     
>>>> **_http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity/_*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       [2]* **_http://daveman692.livejournal.com/_*
>>>>       [3]* **_http://tinyurl.com/2sbqne_*
>>>>
>>>>       Cheers
>>>>       Paul
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