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Re: SVG DOM object browser, Re: Agenda for Thurs Call (Oct 9th)

From: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:30:35 -0500
Message-ID: <da131fde0810080630x691f93ado25eda7ffc46b970b@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Andreas Neumann" <a.neumann@carto.net>, "Rob Russell" <rob@latenightpc.com>
Cc: public-svg-ig@w3.org

I should also state that Rob has added a wiki-like module to the
working community site for the purpose of being able to allow quick
edits to site members.  Upon casual inspection it looked like it would
be able to provide something easy enough for the average user to edit
should she so desire.

Since the DOM browser is such a big task, I think that wiki is the
only way to go.

I've started a forum topic on the SVG community site about this.  Rob,
can you provide some links and info maybe?  Perhaps we can get started
experimenting with it.

Thanks,
Jeff

On 10/8/08, Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andreas,
>
>  Thanks for this idea, it's a good one.
>
>  Before I started with the SVG Interest Group, I also had this same
>  idea but with Google Doctype, whose mission is to "document the open
>  web".  You can see what they offer for HTML, DOM, CSS:
>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/HTMLElements
>
>  Here's some more links about Google Doctype:
>
>  http://code.google.com/doctype/ -> home page
>  http://code.google.com/doctype/overview.html -> overview
>  http://code.google.com/doctype/terms.html -> licensing terms &
>  conditions (articles licensed CC Attribution 3.0, code & tests
>  copyright Google)
>
>  Mark Pilgrim gave me commit access to Google Doctype for the purpose
>  of being able to mass edit the SVG content and provide tests, but I'm
>  afraid I haven't found the time to really contribute to it (at the
>  time I was mostly just feeling out Doctype's capabilities).  I believe
>  these are the only two pages I created at the time:
>
>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGElements
>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGAElement
>
>  I've heard people like the Doctype ability to build up tests.  For
>  example this one:
>  http://doctype.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tests/js/document/document-fgColor-typeof-test.html
>   Though I personally haven't explored this yet.
>
>  Of course the problem with this is contributions fall under either the
>  CC Attribute 3.0 license (which I personally don't have a problem
>  with) or under Google's copyright (for tests and code), but it seems
>  to me that Doctype has the potential to one day be a great source for
>  documentation about the open web, so SVG should be there regardless of
>  what we do on the SVG community site (that's my opinion anyway).
>
>  The other problem I have with Doctype is that edits usually give me a
>  500 Server Error more than half the time.  This is a known issue with
>  Doctype that they are (still) working on.  That's the real reason that
>  Mark gave me commit access so that I wouldn't have to deal with this
>  issue.
>
>  Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>  On 10/8/08, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@carto.net> wrote:
>  > Hi Jeff,
>  >
>  >  I would like to discuss a potential add on to our SVG community site.
>  >
>  >  SVG developers often have a hard time exploring the SVG DOM. It is hard
>  >  for them to read the DOM related spec sections or IDL.
>  >
>  >  On phrogz.net one can find a DOM object browser. Unfortunately it is quite
>  >  slow currently and not very well-known:
>  >  http://phrogz.net/objjob/objects.asp?langID=1
>  >
>  >  I also don't know if this is maintained. ASP errors currenlty appear on
>  >  some pages.
>  >
>  >  It would be great if the SVG community website would offer such an object
>  >  browser for the SVG DOM and related W3C technologies.
>  >
>  >  It would also be great if SVG community members could add comments and
>  >  simple code examples illustrating the use of the various objects, their
>  >  methods and properties, similar to what is possible at www.php.net or
>  >  other similar sites.
>  >
>  >  If we have time at tomorrows telcon I would like to discuss this issue.
>  >
>  >  Thanks,
>  >  Andreas
>  >
>  >  >
>  >  > NOTE: The conf call is still at the same time as last call.  The
>  >  > agenda is looking a little light this week.  Please let me know if you
>  >  > want to add other items to the agenda.
>  >  >
>  >  > Details:
>  >  > - every other Thursday (this week, Oct 9th)
>  >  > - 11:00 to 12:00 AM EST (check the wiki for your local time)
>  >  > - phone bridge number is +1.617.761.6200,  conference 78444 ("SVGIG")
>  >  > - as usual, we will be meeting concurrently in a chat room, on channel
>  >  > #svgig (irc://irc.w3.org, port 6665);
>  >  >
>  >  > Topics:
>  >  >
>  >  > 1) Process
>  >  >    - new members, introductions
>  >  >    - new conf call time?
>  >  >    - new wiki pages courtesy of Gregory J. Rosmaita:
>  >  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Administrivia
>  >  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources
>  >  >
>  >  > 2) Community
>  >  >    - status of community (Rob Russell)
>  >  >    - domain update:  status of svg.org, final disposition (Actions 8, 9)
>  >  >    - theme, external designers? (Actions 5,6)
>  >  >
>  >  > 3) SVG Open
>  >  >    - Andreas sent proposal to Google
>  >  >    - status, planning
>  >  >
>  >  > 4) Testing
>  >  >    - update from Ottawa Test Fest
>  >  >    - High-performance SVG demos - Jeff to create a wiki page for
>  >  > brainstorming
>  >  >
>  >  > 5) Accessibility
>  >  >    - GTK hacking on Inkscape still pending (Jeff)
>  >  >    - Action 7: Jeff to create matrix of current title/desc behaviors,
>  >  > can target for end of week
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  Andreas Neumann
>  >  Böschacherstrasse 6, CH-8624 Grüt/Gossau, Switzerland
>  >  Email: a.neumann@carto.net, Web:
>  >  * http://www.carto.net/ (Carto and SVG resources)
>  >  * http://www.carto.net/neumann/ (personal page)
>  >  * http://www.svgopen.org/ (SVG Open Conference)
>  >  * http://www.geofoto.ch/ (Georeferenced Photos of Switzerland)
>  >
>  >
>
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