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Re: SVG DOM object browser, Re: Agenda for Thurs Call (Oct 9th)

From: Rob Russell <rob@latenightpc.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:31:42 -0400
Message-ID: <48ED0A9E.1000802@latenightpc.com>
To: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
CC: Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@carto.net>, public-svg-ig@w3.org

Sure, I've added some detail in a reply on the forum - see 
http://www.rush70.com/content/wiki-module#comment-6 .

Jeff Schiller wrote:
> I should also state that Rob has added a wiki-like module to the
> working community site for the purpose of being able to allow quick
> edits to site members.  Upon casual inspection it looked like it would
> be able to provide something easy enough for the average user to edit
> should she so desire.
>
> Since the DOM browser is such a big task, I think that wiki is the
> only way to go.
>
> I've started a forum topic on the SVG community site about this.  Rob,
> can you provide some links and info maybe?  Perhaps we can get started
> experimenting with it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> On 10/8/08, Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Andreas,
>>
>>  Thanks for this idea, it's a good one.
>>
>>  Before I started with the SVG Interest Group, I also had this same
>>  idea but with Google Doctype, whose mission is to "document the open
>>  web".  You can see what they offer for HTML, DOM, CSS:
>>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/HTMLElements
>>
>>  Here's some more links about Google Doctype:
>>
>>  http://code.google.com/doctype/ -> home page
>>  http://code.google.com/doctype/overview.html -> overview
>>  http://code.google.com/doctype/terms.html -> licensing terms &
>>  conditions (articles licensed CC Attribution 3.0, code & tests
>>  copyright Google)
>>
>>  Mark Pilgrim gave me commit access to Google Doctype for the purpose
>>  of being able to mass edit the SVG content and provide tests, but I'm
>>  afraid I haven't found the time to really contribute to it (at the
>>  time I was mostly just feeling out Doctype's capabilities).  I believe
>>  these are the only two pages I created at the time:
>>
>>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGElements
>>  http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGAElement
>>
>>  I've heard people like the Doctype ability to build up tests.  For
>>  example this one:
>>  http://doctype.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tests/js/document/document-fgColor-typeof-test.html
>>   Though I personally haven't explored this yet.
>>
>>  Of course the problem with this is contributions fall under either the
>>  CC Attribute 3.0 license (which I personally don't have a problem
>>  with) or under Google's copyright (for tests and code), but it seems
>>  to me that Doctype has the potential to one day be a great source for
>>  documentation about the open web, so SVG should be there regardless of
>>  what we do on the SVG community site (that's my opinion anyway).
>>
>>  The other problem I have with Doctype is that edits usually give me a
>>  500 Server Error more than half the time.  This is a known issue with
>>  Doctype that they are (still) working on.  That's the real reason that
>>  Mark gave me commit access so that I wouldn't have to deal with this
>>  issue.
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>  On 10/8/08, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@carto.net> wrote:
>>  > Hi Jeff,
>>  >
>>  >  I would like to discuss a potential add on to our SVG community site.
>>  >
>>  >  SVG developers often have a hard time exploring the SVG DOM. It is hard
>>  >  for them to read the DOM related spec sections or IDL.
>>  >
>>  >  On phrogz.net one can find a DOM object browser. Unfortunately it is quite
>>  >  slow currently and not very well-known:
>>  >  http://phrogz.net/objjob/objects.asp?langID=1
>>  >
>>  >  I also don't know if this is maintained. ASP errors currenlty appear on
>>  >  some pages.
>>  >
>>  >  It would be great if the SVG community website would offer such an object
>>  >  browser for the SVG DOM and related W3C technologies.
>>  >
>>  >  It would also be great if SVG community members could add comments and
>>  >  simple code examples illustrating the use of the various objects, their
>>  >  methods and properties, similar to what is possible at www.php.net or
>>  >  other similar sites.
>>  >
>>  >  If we have time at tomorrows telcon I would like to discuss this issue.
>>  >
>>  >  Thanks,
>>  >  Andreas
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > NOTE: The conf call is still at the same time as last call.  The
>>  >  > agenda is looking a little light this week.  Please let me know if you
>>  >  > want to add other items to the agenda.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Details:
>>  >  > - every other Thursday (this week, Oct 9th)
>>  >  > - 11:00 to 12:00 AM EST (check the wiki for your local time)
>>  >  > - phone bridge number is +1.617.761.6200,  conference 78444 ("SVGIG")
>>  >  > - as usual, we will be meeting concurrently in a chat room, on channel
>>  >  > #svgig (irc://irc.w3.org, port 6665);
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Topics:
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 1) Process
>>  >  >    - new members, introductions
>>  >  >    - new conf call time?
>>  >  >    - new wiki pages courtesy of Gregory J. Rosmaita:
>>  >  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Administrivia
>>  >  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 2) Community
>>  >  >    - status of community (Rob Russell)
>>  >  >    - domain update:  status of svg.org, final disposition (Actions 8, 9)
>>  >  >    - theme, external designers? (Actions 5,6)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 3) SVG Open
>>  >  >    - Andreas sent proposal to Google
>>  >  >    - status, planning
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 4) Testing
>>  >  >    - update from Ottawa Test Fest
>>  >  >    - High-performance SVG demos - Jeff to create a wiki page for
>>  >  > brainstorming
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 5) Accessibility
>>  >  >    - GTK hacking on Inkscape still pending (Jeff)
>>  >  >    - Action 7: Jeff to create matrix of current title/desc behaviors,
>>  >  > can target for end of week
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  --
>>  >  Andreas Neumann
>>  >  Böschacherstrasse 6, CH-8624 Grüt/Gossau, Switzerland
>>  >  Email: a.neumann@carto.net, Web:
>>  >  * http://www.carto.net/ (Carto and SVG resources)
>>  >  * http://www.carto.net/neumann/ (personal page)
>>  >  * http://www.svgopen.org/ (SVG Open Conference)
>>  >  * http://www.geofoto.ch/ (Georeferenced Photos of Switzerland)
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>>     
>
>   
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