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Re: SVG DOM object browser, Re: Agenda for Thurs Call (Oct 9th)

From: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:20:51 -0500
Message-ID: <da131fde0810080620n55336fc8r89029dfbd5872a70@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Andreas Neumann" <a.neumann@carto.net>
Cc: public-svg-ig@w3.org

Andreas,

Thanks for this idea, it's a good one.

Before I started with the SVG Interest Group, I also had this same
idea but with Google Doctype, whose mission is to "document the open
web".  You can see what they offer for HTML, DOM, CSS:
http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/HTMLElements

Here's some more links about Google Doctype:

http://code.google.com/doctype/ -> home page
http://code.google.com/doctype/overview.html -> overview
http://code.google.com/doctype/terms.html -> licensing terms &
conditions (articles licensed CC Attribution 3.0, code & tests
copyright Google)

Mark Pilgrim gave me commit access to Google Doctype for the purpose
of being able to mass edit the SVG content and provide tests, but I'm
afraid I haven't found the time to really contribute to it (at the
time I was mostly just feeling out Doctype's capabilities).  I believe
these are the only two pages I created at the time:

http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGElements
http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/SVGAElement

I've heard people like the Doctype ability to build up tests.  For
example this one:
http://doctype.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tests/js/document/document-fgColor-typeof-test.html
 Though I personally haven't explored this yet.

Of course the problem with this is contributions fall under either the
CC Attribute 3.0 license (which I personally don't have a problem
with) or under Google's copyright (for tests and code), but it seems
to me that Doctype has the potential to one day be a great source for
documentation about the open web, so SVG should be there regardless of
what we do on the SVG community site (that's my opinion anyway).

The other problem I have with Doctype is that edits usually give me a
500 Server Error more than half the time.  This is a known issue with
Doctype that they are (still) working on.  That's the real reason that
Mark gave me commit access so that I wouldn't have to deal with this
issue.

Regards,
Jeff

On 10/8/08, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@carto.net> wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
>  I would like to discuss a potential add on to our SVG community site.
>
>  SVG developers often have a hard time exploring the SVG DOM. It is hard
>  for them to read the DOM related spec sections or IDL.
>
>  On phrogz.net one can find a DOM object browser. Unfortunately it is quite
>  slow currently and not very well-known:
>  http://phrogz.net/objjob/objects.asp?langID=1
>
>  I also don't know if this is maintained. ASP errors currenlty appear on
>  some pages.
>
>  It would be great if the SVG community website would offer such an object
>  browser for the SVG DOM and related W3C technologies.
>
>  It would also be great if SVG community members could add comments and
>  simple code examples illustrating the use of the various objects, their
>  methods and properties, similar to what is possible at www.php.net or
>  other similar sites.
>
>  If we have time at tomorrows telcon I would like to discuss this issue.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Andreas
>
>  >
>  > NOTE: The conf call is still at the same time as last call.  The
>  > agenda is looking a little light this week.  Please let me know if you
>  > want to add other items to the agenda.
>  >
>  > Details:
>  > - every other Thursday (this week, Oct 9th)
>  > - 11:00 to 12:00 AM EST (check the wiki for your local time)
>  > - phone bridge number is +1.617.761.6200,  conference 78444 ("SVGIG")
>  > - as usual, we will be meeting concurrently in a chat room, on channel
>  > #svgig (irc://irc.w3.org, port 6665);
>  >
>  > Topics:
>  >
>  > 1) Process
>  >    - new members, introductions
>  >    - new conf call time?
>  >    - new wiki pages courtesy of Gregory J. Rosmaita:
>  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Administrivia
>  >         http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources
>  >
>  > 2) Community
>  >    - status of community (Rob Russell)
>  >    - domain update:  status of svg.org, final disposition (Actions 8, 9)
>  >    - theme, external designers? (Actions 5,6)
>  >
>  > 3) SVG Open
>  >    - Andreas sent proposal to Google
>  >    - status, planning
>  >
>  > 4) Testing
>  >    - update from Ottawa Test Fest
>  >    - High-performance SVG demos - Jeff to create a wiki page for
>  > brainstorming
>  >
>  > 5) Accessibility
>  >    - GTK hacking on Inkscape still pending (Jeff)
>  >    - Action 7: Jeff to create matrix of current title/desc behaviors,
>  > can target for end of week
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Andreas Neumann
>  Böschacherstrasse 6, CH-8624 Grüt/Gossau, Switzerland
>  Email: a.neumann@carto.net, Web:
>  * http://www.carto.net/ (Carto and SVG resources)
>  * http://www.carto.net/neumann/ (personal page)
>  * http://www.svgopen.org/ (SVG Open Conference)
>  * http://www.geofoto.ch/ (Georeferenced Photos of Switzerland)
>
>
Received on Wednesday, 8 October 2008 13:21:29 UTC

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