W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-10-02

02 Oct 2008


See also: IRC log


John, Kumar, Pratul, Sandy, Ginny, Kirk, MSM
Pratul Dublish
Sandy Gao


<pratul> Agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0002.html

<pratul> John's update to agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0003.html

Approval of minutes from previous meeting

Kumar: Kirk has a suggestion.

Kirk: didn't mean to update the minutes.

<johnarwe_> kirk's suggestion is in the email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0001.html

RESOLUTION: approve 2008-09-25 telecon minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/att-0000/2008-09-25-minutes.htm

Action items

Neither action is done. ETA Oct. F2F.

F2F logistics

All: would like a WG dinner. Tentatively prefer Monday.

Interop test plan discussion

<johnarwe_> 9/25 draft is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html

The latest draft is available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html

John: on issue #5: Need test cases for validation of SML-IF format?

Kumar: answer should be "yes".

Ginny: I agree.

RESOLUTION: WG agreed that we need test cases for validation of SML-IF format.

Review of test cases

Current test cases available at http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan

Kumar: I'm OK with adopting whatever COSMOS has.

John: There were concerns at W3C with pointing to COSMOS repository.

Ginny: what if the test case changes

John: it's OK as long as the URL has the correct revision information.

Ginny: do the test cases focus on particular features, or do they tend to test multiple features in a single test?

John: they generally only test a single feature.

Ginny: and the tests are self-contained? i.e no sharing of test documents.

John: yes

MSM: I think we should include tests that ensure that SML constraints and schematron rules are applied to the right element instances?
... naive implementation may apply these constraints to element instances that have the correct name but do not match the declaration/definition that carries the constraints.

Ginny: Want to spend time to review the list of features covered by COSMOS tests.

Pratul: I agree.
... are there tests that are specific to testing IF?

John: think so, those to do with aliases, locators, etc.
... and there are tests for xml:base

Pratul: everyone should look at these tests, to determine whether any addition, deletion, or modification is needed.

Kumar: if a feature is not adequately covered, what's the process to improve the coverage? We draft the tests and submit to COSMOS?

Pratul: may be better to keep the additional tests we write in W3C repositories.

MSM: that would also have less legal complications.

RESOLUTION: point to COSMOS test cases; keep our own tests in W3C repositories.

John: suggest 2-pass approach. first look through the list and decide to include, exclude, or possibly modify. then in the second pass decide what to change for each test.

Pratul: I agree.

Summary of Action Items

[End of minutes]

Updated Scribe List

Last Scribe Date        Member Name         Regrets pending 
2008-05-22              Lynn, James         Until further notice
2008-07-10              McCarthy, Julia     Until further notice
2008-09-11              Wilson, Kirk
2008-09-18              Smith, Virginia     10/9
2008-09-25              Kumar, Pandit
2008-10-02              Gao, Sandy
Exempt                  Arwe, John
Exempt                  Dublish, Pratul
Exempt                  MSM                 
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