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peace, and next steps / agenda

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:45:46 -0500
To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Cc: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, Antoine Zimmermann <antoine.zimmermann@emse.fr>, David Wood <david@3roundstones.com>, Guus Schreiber <guus.schreiber@vu.nl>, RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1324424746.2190.75.camel@waldron>

> I will resign from the WG as of today.

Please stay, Pat.


I know this group can be very frustrating.  We've been going around in
circles on this topic for a long time, with no sense of progress and no
clear end in sight.  

Sometimes it feels very personal.   We get grumpy, and sometimes it
affects our word choice.  It can come from very real slights -- someone
else not doing their homework, someone else not studying one's work like
they probably should have -- or from entirely accidental ones.  And, of
course, veiled hostility tends to amplify and become unveiled, as it
goes back and forth.   I find usually when I'm furious in a WG, if I
take a break for a few hours or days, when I come back, one of us has
come to their senses.   Usually, my faith in the others in the group is

W3C wisdom for when a group is lost is to return to the use cases.  I
usually like to jump ahead, at least to test cases, but I see that's not
working here.  So, I think we'd best go through the use cases [1] one at
a time.   Talk it out until we understand it, come up with one or more
designs that work well for that particular use case.   After a few use
cases, maybe we'll be able to start generalizing.   But, at first, let's
make sure we write down some designs that we believe will work for that
use case, and figure out what standards would be needed.  So, at very
least, we'll be making some kind of measurable progress through the use

Chairs, please consider this an agenda request for tomorrow's meeting.

I think in order to talk about a particular use case, we need at least
one person willing to present it and answer questions about it, on the
call. I'm happy to volunteer for some of them in January, but I'd
rather not present at tomorrow's meeting, since I'll unfortunately need
to be doing some multitasking.

One alternative is to do breakout sessions for this -- have 2-4 people
per use case come to consensus about designs for it.  With 12 people on
the call, most wont be able to be engaged.

    -- Sandro

[1] http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC
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