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Re: specialization/alternate in prov-dm

From: Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 14:27:58 +0100
Message-ID: <4FAA70DE.20308@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
To: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
CC: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Hi Jim,

I did check on the minutes and I knew I voted on this.

I thought I voted for the following of what Paul proposed:

"two options.. one is to include definitions as they stand in DM, and 
close issue"

Option 1: Include proposed definitions in prov-dm document and close 
issue on alternate/specialization

And there was a pointer to [1], which when resolved, led to the whole 
lot of definitions. When I voted, I wasn't aware that we were voting for 
including def 13 specifically.

But I missed the chance to counter-vote, it's my fault. So I retrieve my 
comments in the previous message.

[1] 
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/SpecializationAlternateDefinitions#Definitions_13_.28refinement_of_12.29

-- Jun


On 09/05/2012 13:27, Jim McCusker wrote:
> Definition 13 is effectively the same as 12, but makes it explicit that
> time intervals maybe used, but are not needed.
>
> We voted on this last week and introduced it the week before, you can see
> it in the minutes.
>
> Jim
> On May 9, 2012 8:10 AM, "Jun Zhao"<jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Luc and all,
>>
>> I understand that this is call for comments or not for voting.:)
>>
>> I only looked at section 4.4 in the diff file. I see that you are adopting
>> the Definitions 13 [1], although I don't recall that as a group we ever
>> voted on this.
>>
>> Anyway, personally, I prefer definitions 12 than 13. Def 13 is a bit too
>> specific to my taste:) For example, the mentioning of life span of a
>> specialization and a specialized entity. And the mentioning of overlaps
>> between alternative entities is vague for me. I don't quite understand what
>> we mean by overlapping, what overlaps, the representation themselves?
>>
>> Believe me, he last thing I want is to trigger another round of
>> discussions on this. If I vote, I will vote to have definitions 12 in the
>> DM for the above reasons.
>>
>> btw, I didn't find the "mountains" in the diff file. I hope I read the
>> right doc.
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**wiki/**SpecializationAlternateDefinit**
>> ions#Definitions_13_.**28refinement_of_12.29<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/SpecializationAlternateDefinitions#Definitions_13_.28refinement_of_12.29>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jun
>>
>>
>> On 08/05/2012 21:09, Luc Moreau wrote:
>>
>>> I just added 'mountain' as an example of physical thing.
>>>
>>> On 08/05/12 16:58, Jim McCusker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Replace building with mountain, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Do you want to suggest an example?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>> University of Southampton
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:48, "Jim McCusker"<mccusj@rpi.edu
>>>> <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   This comment is indirectly derivedFrom this change:
>>>>>
>>>>> All of the examples of entities are human-created artifacts.
>>>>> Should we try to include at least one that wasn't created by a human?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Luc Moreau
>>>>> <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following resolution [1], the new definitions of
>>>>> alternate/specialization/**entity
>>>>> have been included in the prov-dm Editor's draft [2].
>>>>> For a diff of the changes (since last WD) see [3].
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments welcome!
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Luc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**meeting/2012-05-03#resolution_**2<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-05-03#resolution_2>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/**raw-file/default/model/prov-**dm.html<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html>
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/**raw-file/ce56dc32ba1e/model/**diff.html<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/ce56dc32ba1e/model/diff.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%204487>
>>>>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%202865>
>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:
>>>>> l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>> United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~**lavm<http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm>
>>>>> <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%**7Elavm<http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%7Elavm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jim McCusker
>>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>>>> Yale School of Medicine
>>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.**edu<james.mccusker@yale.edu>>
>>>>> | (203)
>>>>> 785-6330<tel:%28203%29%20785-6330>
>>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.**yale.edu<http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>
>>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim McCusker
>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>>> Yale School of Medicine
>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.**edu<james.mccusker@yale.edu>>
>>>> | (203) 785-6330
>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.**yale.edu<http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu>
>>>>
>>>> PhD Student
>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>
>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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