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Re: specialization/alternate in prov-dm

From: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:19:51 +0100
Message-ID: <CAPRnXtnfdbFCXtvCaiPS1oYbYPJoFSLnmcfaLat+dncCfhybzQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>, public-prov-wg@w3.org
I pasted the actual #13 definition into the chat as well (but after
the vote) as it was asked for us to qualify what we voted over rather
than referring to a wiki page.

http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-05-03#Definition_of_Alternate_and_Specialization

> An entity is a physical, digital, conceptual, or other kind of thing with some fixed aspects. Entities may be real or imaginary

> Two alternate entities present aspects of the same thing. These aspects may be the same or different, and the alternate entities may or may not overlap in time

> An entity that is a specialization of another entity shares all aspects of the latter, and additionally presents more specific aspects of the same thing as the latter. In particular, the lifetime of the specialized entity contains that of any specialization



My apologies for transcribing Paul's "include definitions as they
stand in DM" without correcting the commas, this might have led to
some confusion.

It seems we should be even stricter, and the definition that is to be
voted over should as much as possible be verbatim in the PROPOSED
suggestion on the chat - before the vote.

I hope working group members who would have voted differently for the
above definition (#13) to raise their voice here.


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I did check on the minutes and I knew I voted on this.
>
> I thought I voted for the following of what Paul proposed:
>
> "two options.. one is to include definitions as they stand in DM, and close
> issue"
>
> Option 1: Include proposed definitions in prov-dm document and close issue
> on alternate/specialization
>
> And there was a pointer to [1], which when resolved, led to the whole lot of
> definitions. When I voted, I wasn't aware that we were voting for including
> def 13 specifically.
>
> But I missed the chance to counter-vote, it's my fault. So I retrieve my
> comments in the previous message.
>
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/SpecializationAlternateDefinitions#Definitions_13_.28refinement_of_12.29
>
> -- Jun
>
>
>
> On 09/05/2012 13:27, Jim McCusker wrote:
>>
>> Definition 13 is effectively the same as 12, but makes it explicit that
>> time intervals maybe used, but are not needed.
>>
>> We voted on this last week and introduced it the week before, you can see
>> it in the minutes.
>>
>> Jim
>> On May 9, 2012 8:10 AM, "Jun Zhao"<jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luc and all,
>>>
>>> I understand that this is call for comments or not for voting.:)
>>>
>>> I only looked at section 4.4 in the diff file. I see that you are
>>> adopting
>>> the Definitions 13 [1], although I don't recall that as a group we ever
>>> voted on this.
>>>
>>> Anyway, personally, I prefer definitions 12 than 13. Def 13 is a bit too
>>> specific to my taste:) For example, the mentioning of life span of a
>>> specialization and a specialized entity. And the mentioning of overlaps
>>> between alternative entities is vague for me. I don't quite understand
>>> what
>>> we mean by overlapping, what overlaps, the representation themselves?
>>>
>>> Believe me, he last thing I want is to trigger another round of
>>> discussions on this. If I vote, I will vote to have definitions 12 in the
>>> DM for the above reasons.
>>>
>>> btw, I didn't find the "mountains" in the diff file. I hope I read the
>>> right doc.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**wiki/**SpecializationAlternateDefinit**
>>>
>>> ions#Definitions_13_.**28refinement_of_12.29<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/SpecializationAlternateDefinitions#Definitions_13_.28refinement_of_12.29>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jun
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/05/2012 21:09, Luc Moreau wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just added 'mountain' as an example of physical thing.
>>>>
>>>> On 08/05/12 16:58, Jim McCusker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Replace building with mountain, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want to suggest an example?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>>> University of Southampton
>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:48, "Jim McCusker"<mccusj@rpi.edu
>>>>> <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  This comment is indirectly derivedFrom this change:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of the examples of entities are human-created artifacts.
>>>>>> Should we try to include at least one that wasn't created by a human?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Luc Moreau
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following resolution [1], the new definitions of
>>>>>> alternate/specialization/**entity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have been included in the prov-dm Editor's draft [2].
>>>>>> For a diff of the changes (since last WD) see [3].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments welcome!
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**meeting/2012-05-03#resolution_**2<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-05-03#resolution_2>
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/**raw-file/default/model/prov-**dm.html<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html>
>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/**raw-file/ce56dc32ba1e/model/**diff.html<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/ce56dc32ba1e/model/diff.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%204487>
>>>>>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%202865>
>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk<l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~**lavm<http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%**7Elavm<http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/%7Elavm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jim McCusker
>>>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>>>>> Yale School of Medicine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.**edu<james.mccusker@yale.edu>>
>>>>>> | (203)
>>>>>> 785-6330<tel:%28203%29%20785-6330>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.**yale.edu<http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>
>>>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim McCusker
>>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>>>> Yale School of Medicine
>>>>>
>>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.**edu<james.mccusker@yale.edu>>
>>>>> | (203) 785-6330
>>>>>
>>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.**yale.edu<http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>
>>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>



-- 
Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team
School of Computer Science
The University of Manchester
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