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Re: PROV-ISSUE-371 (junzhao): timestamped provo.owl [PROV-O HTML]

From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:37:36 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJCyKRqBg1t9kbYM6CO7vuLQqRgjvPu8YxA0TGSU8TDxEncZvQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu>
Cc: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>, Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu>, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Satya,

Just to note, Ivan is going to set-up content negotiation at
http://www.w3c.org/ns/prov

cheers
Paul

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu> wrote:
> Hi,
>>
>> I believe version IRI should always go totally to the OWL file.
>>
> +1 We discussed the option of using owl:versionInfo with version IRI.
>
>>
>> >
>> > Do we use any content negotiation?  What if
>> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120503 was requested with a content
>> > type of "RDF/XML"?
>> >
>
> I think content negotiation will be out of scope for prov-o.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Satya
>
>>
>> > --Stephan
>> >
>> >>
>> >> -Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Since this is in the owl file, it will allow anyone with the file to
>> >>> know which working draft (or release) the owl file represents.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I've added notes to [1] so that this will be done upon the future
>> >>> releases.
>> >>>
>> >>> Will this satisfy your needs? May we close the issue?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Tim
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]
>> >>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology#Steps_taken_for_LC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 7, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Jun,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am happy to help settle the versioning issues with the OWL
>> >>>> ontology,
>> >>>> but I'm afraid that I'm not sure what your concerns are.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have three options:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) hg tag the OWL file
>> >>>> 2) add to the prov-o html automation to reference the OWL version
>> >>>> that it is documenting
>> >>>> 3) <> owl:versionURI
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could you please clarify your concerns so that we can scope the
>> >>>> effort to address them?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Tim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On May 5, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> This seems good. Stian can you add it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>> Paul
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 03/05/2012 11:02, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Don't you think the OWL should contain something like
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> <>  owl:versionIRI
>> >>>>>>> <www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120501/ProvenanceOntology.owl>   ?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Stian, yes, we should also have that!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -- Jun
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would +1 that as people like myself will download the OWL
>> >>>>>>> locally
>> >>>>>>> for processing with say Sesame-Elmo, and it later will be
>> >>>>>>> important to
>> >>>>>>> know which one it is based on.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We just need to know the magic date to add it in advance.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jun Zhao<jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
>> >>>>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I am happy with what we will do with the public release.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> And dealing with versioning for internal releases can wait if you
>> >>>>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>> overwhelmed by other commitment at the moment.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -- Jun
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 02/05/2012 00:27, Tim Lebo wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Jun,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The prov.owl will be "copied" to the official w3c website
>> >>>>>>>>> directory when
>> >>>>>>>>> the WD2 is published on Thursday, so there will be no question
>> >>>>>>>>> about what
>> >>>>>>>>> OWL file the HTML is talking about.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully, the "dereferencability problem" (which paul took on
>> >>>>>>>>> and we
>> >>>>>>>>> asked Daniel to help with) will be addressed soon, which will
>> >>>>>>>>> provide the
>> >>>>>>>>> latest OWL when requesting the terms' URIs.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> If we want to be explicit about what version of the ontology the
>> >>>>>>>>> HTML is
>> >>>>>>>>> taking about, I can look into exposing that within every
>> >>>>>>>>> compiled draft up
>> >>>>>>>>> to LC that is due in a few weeks. But generally, these are
>> >>>>>>>>> always in sync
>> >>>>>>>>> because the ontology changes less frequently and the HTML is
>> >>>>>>>>> generated much
>> >>>>>>>>> more frequently.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Please let me know which aspects you need most, so that we can
>> >>>>>>>>> address the
>> >>>>>>>>> right issues soon.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> Tim
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2012, at 11:38, Provenance Working Group Issue
>> >>>>>>>>> Tracker<sysbot+tracker@w3.org>    wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-371 (junzhao): timestamped provo.owl [PROV-O HTML]
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/371
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Jun Zhao
>> >>>>>>>>>> On product: PROV-O HTML
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Can we talk  about when or whether we will have snapshots for
>> >>>>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>> ontology, like  ProvenanceOntology-20120430.owl? Or achieve
>> >>>>>>>>>> similar
>> >>>>>>>>>> functionality via other mechanisms?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Because our ontology is still work in progress, it is important
>> >>>>>>>>>> to have
>> >>>>>>>>>> the right ontology content associated with each prov-o spec
>> >>>>>>>>>> public release
>> >>>>>>>>>> or even work draft.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think this would be something really nice to have at least
>> >>>>>>>>>> for this
>> >>>>>>>>>> upcoming public release.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I am happy to discuss more on this.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Jun
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>> >>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>> >>>>> Assistant Professor
>> >>>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
>> >>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section
>> >>>>> Department of Computer Science
>> >>>>> VU University Amsterdam
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team
>> School of Computer Science
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>



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--
Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
Assistant Professor
Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
Artificial Intelligence Section
Department of Computer Science
VU University Amsterdam
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