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Re: PROV-ISSUE-371 (junzhao): timestamped provo.owl [PROV-O HTML]

From: Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:33:29 -0600
Cc: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
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To: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>
Ah, I thought Tim was talking about the versionIRI, not the versionInfo

versionInfo to release HTML.
versionIRI to release OWL.

--Stephan

On May 7, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:

> I believe version IRI should always go totally to the OWL file.
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> On May 7, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
>> 
>>> Jun,
>>> 
>>> One additional note…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 7, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jun,
>>>> 
>>>> We were able to discuss the idea of timestamping prov.owl in our call today.
>>>> 
>>>> If you look at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/WD-prov-o-2012MMDD/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl
>>>> 
>>>> you will see:
>>>> 
>>>> <owl:versionInfo rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-2012MMDD"/>
>>> 
>>> This will resolve to the PROV-O HTML page that describes the release, e.g.:
>>> 
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120503
>> 
>> Do we use any content negotiation?  What if http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120503 was requested with a content type of "RDF/XML"?
>> 
>> --Stephan
>> 
>>> 
>>> -Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Since this is in the owl file, it will allow anyone with the file to know which working draft (or release) the owl file represents.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've added notes to [1] so that this will be done upon the future releases.
>>>> 
>>>> Will this satisfy your needs? May we close the issue?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology#Steps_taken_for_LC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jun,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am happy to help settle the versioning issues with the OWL ontology,
>>>>> but I'm afraid that I'm not sure what your concerns are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have three options:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) hg tag the OWL file
>>>>> 2) add to the prov-o html automation to reference the OWL version that it is documenting
>>>>> 3) <> owl:versionURI
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could you please clarify your concerns so that we can scope the effort to address them?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 5, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This seems good. Stian can you add it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/05/2012 11:02, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don't you think the OWL should contain something like
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <>  owl:versionIRI
>>>>>>>> <www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120501/ProvenanceOntology.owl>   ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stian, yes, we should also have that!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Jun
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would +1 that as people like myself will download the OWL locally
>>>>>>>> for processing with say Sesame-Elmo, and it later will be important to
>>>>>>>> know which one it is based on.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We just need to know the magic date to add it in advance.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jun Zhao<jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am happy with what we will do with the public release.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And dealing with versioning for internal releases can wait if you are
>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed by other commitment at the moment.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- Jun
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2012 00:27, Tim Lebo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jun,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The prov.owl will be "copied" to the official w3c website directory when
>>>>>>>>>> the WD2 is published on Thursday, so there will be no question about what
>>>>>>>>>> OWL file the HTML is talking about.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, the "dereferencability problem" (which paul took on and we
>>>>>>>>>> asked Daniel to help with) will be addressed soon, which will provide the
>>>>>>>>>> latest OWL when requesting the terms' URIs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If we want to be explicit about what version of the ontology the HTML is
>>>>>>>>>> taking about, I can look into exposing that within every compiled draft up
>>>>>>>>>> to LC that is due in a few weeks. But generally, these are always in sync
>>>>>>>>>> because the ontology changes less frequently and the HTML is generated much
>>>>>>>>>> more frequently.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know which aspects you need most, so that we can address the
>>>>>>>>>> right issues soon.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2012, at 11:38, Provenance Working Group Issue
>>>>>>>>>> Tracker<sysbot+tracker@w3.org>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-371 (junzhao): timestamped provo.owl [PROV-O HTML]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/371
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Jun Zhao
>>>>>>>>>>> On product: PROV-O HTML
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we talk  about when or whether we will have snapshots for our
>>>>>>>>>>> ontology, like  ProvenanceOntology-20120430.owl? Or achieve similar
>>>>>>>>>>> functionality via other mechanisms?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Because our ontology is still work in progress, it is important to have
>>>>>>>>>>> the right ontology content associated with each prov-o spec public release
>>>>>>>>>>> or even work draft.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think this would be something really nice to have at least for this
>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming public release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am happy to discuss more on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jun
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section
>>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team
> School of Computer Science
> The University of Manchester
> 
> 
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