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Re: quick comment on Note in ProvRDF mapping

From: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0500
Cc: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, Daniel Garijo <dgarijo@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
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To: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Luc,

I can only find Note examples with visual styling ("dotted", "icons", etc).

Is there a "trust" Note example somewhere?

Thanks,
Tim

On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Luc Moreau wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> Yes we use such notes to also propagate "trust" information
> 
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science
> University of Southampton 
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> United Kingdom
> 
> On 12 Feb 2012, at 20:54, "Timothy Lebo" <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Is there motivation for Notes other than to sneak messages to the visual layer?
>> 
>> note(ann1,[ex:color="blue", ex:screenX=20, ex:screenY=30])
>> It seems to me that this is simply data modeling and NOT provenance modeling.
>> If it is _only_ data modeling, I think that it should stay out of PROV, which should focus on modeling only provenance.
>> 
>> 
>> Underneath the surface of Notes is the age old debate of "characterizing attributes" versus "non-characterizing attributes".
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
>> 
>>> Of course you can use constructs however you want. I don't think Note was intended as such so it seems that discussing this usage would be out of scope. 
>>> 
>>> Why confuse potential adopters of the spec?
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 21:15, Daniel Garijo <dgarijo@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There was some discussion on the prov-o team about this. "Note" could be used for describing provenance
>>>> statements in an informal way with custom annotations.
>>>> Therefore, IMO some people could use it for metadata provenance even if that is not the intention on DM.
>>>> For example: I could add annotations about all the usages (since the note is about a record) stating who is the author
>>>> of that assertion.
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> 2012/2/12 Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I was just having a look through the ProvRDF mappings page: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF
>>>> 
>>>> In the Note section there is a concern "but NOT for the much heavier-duty use that DM offers (meta-provenance)."
>>>> 
>>>> The DM does not use Note for meta provenance so I don't know where this is coming from.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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