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Re: actions related to collections

From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:20:00 +0100
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Hi Satya,

Therefore, in your cell line example, I suppose you don't want/cannot 
enumerate the cells, and
therefore express insertion into/removal from the cell line?

You may still want to distinguish the states of the cell line at two 
different instances and
relate them by derivation?

Luc

On 18/04/12 21:33, Satya Sahoo wrote:
> Hi Luc,
>
>
>     Do I understand correctly that those two collections do not
>     change: a cell line has a given number of cells, and the cohort
>     involves a set of patients.
>
> A cohort remains static during the period of study. The number of 
> cells may increase (by cell division) or decrease (by cell death).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Satya
>
>     So, yes, I understand that removal/insertion are not necessary for
>     such static collections.
>
>     Regards,
>     Luc
>
>
>     On 18/04/12 17:35, Satya Sahoo wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>     The issue I had raised last week is that collection is an
>>     important provenance construct, but the assumption of only
>>     key-value pair based collection is too narrow and the relations
>>     derivedByInsertionFrom, Derivation-by-Removal are over
>>     specifications that are not required.
>>
>>     I have collected the following examples for collection, which
>>     only require the definition of the collection in DM5 (collection
>>     of entities) and they don't have (a) a key-value structure, and
>>     (b) derivedByInsertionFrom, derivedByRemovalFrom relations are
>>     not needed:
>>     1. Cell line is a collection of cells used in many biomedical
>>     experiments. The provenance of the cell line (as a collection)
>>     include, who submitted the cell line, what method was used to
>>     authenticate the cell line, when was the given cell line
>>     contaminated? The provenance of the cells in a cell line include,
>>     what is the source of the cells (e.g. organism)?
>>
>>     2. A patient cohort is a collection of patients satisfying some
>>     constraints for a research study. The provenance of the cohort
>>     include, what eligibility criteria were used to identify the
>>     cohort, when was the cohort identified? The provenance of the
>>     patients in a cohort may include their health provider etc.
>>
>>     Hope this helps our discussion.
>>
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Satya
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Luc Moreau
>>     <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Hi Jun and Satya,
>>
>>         Following today's call, ACTION-76 [1] and ACTION-77 [2] were
>>         raised against you, as we agreed.
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>         Luc
>>
>>         [1] https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/76
>>         [2] https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/77
>>
>>
>
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