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Re: PROV-ISSUE-51 (asserter-def): Asserter needs to be defined with respect to a provenance container/account [Conceptual Model]

From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:08:36 +0100
Message-ID: <EMEW3|7bd69f0188c5a000ed12b4c94a1ab20dn6RB8d08L.Moreau|ecs.soton.ac.uk|4E313524.9070002@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Paul,

Dooh ... phonetic writing (with a cold!) Sorry about that.

Yes, I guess I am extending/refining the existing concepts.

Luc


On 07/28/2011 11:00 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
> Hi Luc,
>
> I don't know if I want to be rollled..... ;-)
>
> I think that is a reasonable approach But you did specify a new type:  
> "provenance container" and a new role: "asserter"
>
> I think these are new "concepts" but maybe you want to call them 
> something else. Maybe we are getting into the discussion of how to 
> extend the model....
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> Luc Moreau wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> To get the Paul rolling, I would like to put a proposal forward.
>>
>> It feels to me that we already have the concepts to define an asserter:
>> agent and role.
>> So, I am tempted to say we do not need to introduce a *new* concept, but
>> instead we should
>> explain how existing concepts can be exploited to characterize an 
>> asserter.
>>
>> Attached, you'll find the assertions from the example put in a 
>> container.
>> The provenance of the container is embedded directly in the container
>> itself.
>> Obviously, we should also think about the PAQ document where we embed a
>> reference to provenance;
>> we may prefer this option.
>>
>> But the key thing is that the asserter is agent "Luc".
>>
>> Regards,
>> Luc
>>
>>
>> On 07/28/2011 10:11 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>> PROV-ISSUE-51 (asserter-def): Asserter needs to be defined with 
>>> respect to a provenance container/account [Conceptual Model]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/51
>>>
>>> Raised by: Paul Groth
>>> On product: Conceptual Model
>>>
>>> Asserter is a key part of the document. There are a number of places 
>>> it's mentioned.
>>>
>>> The definition of Provenance Container has the following note:
>>>
>>> "It should be possible for asserters to annotate the container with 
>>> a description of the justification for the assertions it contains, 
>>> as well as additional meta-information, such as authorship of the 
>>> assertions."
>>>
>>> The View/Account mention has the following:
>>>
>>> "an account is a set of assertions, forming a perspective on the 
>>> world."
>>>
>>> Asserter should be defined.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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