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Re: PROV-ISSUE-39 (generation-identifiable-activity): Generation should be defined as an identifable activity [Conceptual Model]

From: Khalid Belhajjame <Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:19:44 +0100
Message-ID: <4E2FCA20.5030600@cs.man.ac.uk>
To: public-prov-wg@w3.org

Hi Luc,

As Satya, I understood that identifiable activity in the the definition 
refers to process execution. I didn't raise an issue because I thought 
there was an effort in the definitions to avoid using the vocabulary 
that we are defining and use only natural language. Is that the case?

khalid


On 27/07/2011 08:29, Luc Moreau wrote:
> Hi Satya,
>
> I don't think so.
>   pil:generation, pil:BOB and pil:processExecution are constructs of 
> the provenance language
>
> activity and entity should be understood with their natural language 
> meaning.
>
> Hence, a process execution is not the same as an activity, but is a 
> representation of an activity.
>
> Luc
>
> On 07/27/2011 02:04 AM, Satya Sahoo wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Reading Paul/Luc's definition for isGeneratedBy:
>> "Generation represents the creation of a new identifiable 
>> characterized entity by an identifiable activity."
>>
>> can we interpret that "identifiable activity" is same as "process 
>> execution"? If yes, then we should use "process execution" directly 
>> instead of using its definition (description?).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Satya
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Paolo Missier 
>> <Paolo.Missier@ncl.ac.uk <mailto:Paolo.Missier@ncl.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     can we just state upfront that assertions can only be made about
>>
>>     - C-entities that are identifiable
>>     - activities that are identifiable
>>
>>     -Paolo
>>
>>
>>
>>      On 7/25/11 8:45 AM, Luc Moreau wrote:
>>
>>         I suppose that if we follow this argument thoroughly, we
>>         should write:
>>
>>         "Generation represents the creation of a new identifiable
>>         characterized entity by an identifiable activity."
>>
>>         (We also have to do the same with Use ...)
>>
>>         Definitions are becoming quite heavy ... thoughts?
>>
>>         Luc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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