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Re: PROV-ISSUE-30 (name-for-bob): What name do we use for the BOB construct? [Conceptual Model]

From: Paolo Missier <Paolo.Missier@ncl.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:48:07 +0100
Message-ID: <4E2D49E7.3080908@ncl.ac.uk>
To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Hi,

briefly:

I have been a fan of "snapshot" myself pre-F2F and still am, I think it just needs tweaking on the temporal interpretation, to go 
from a point in time to a duration, as Stephan points out. Did someone suggest "spanshot" by mistake or was it intentional. I quite 
like it (maybe just as a better placeholder than Bob?)

-Paolo

On 7/24/11 11:43 PM, Reza B'Far wrote:
> First, for the record Khalid was the person suggesting Snapshot :)
>
> The way I've seen snapshot used commercially, it's fairly consistent with the
> current definition of BOB.  There is some murkiness on both sides (how
> "snapshot" is used commercially and I think we're still iterating here on the
> definition of BOB, but may be that's close to be finalized).  However, I think
> they are close enough.  What I liked about "Snapshot" is that its intuitive and
> is used in several domains that I know of (content management, legal,
> configuration systems, and I've also seen use-cases in microfilm production by
> old-school librarians).  Also, I think "Snapshot" offers a huge advantage that
> it's neither explicitly linked to the entity nor its state.  And I know the
> distinction between entity vs. entity's state and how that's articulated has
> been in a lot of the discussions.  Using "Snapshot" sort of obsoletes that
> discussion.
>
> On 7/24/11 12:57 PM, Stephan Zednik wrote:
>> I am not partial to snapshot, partially because of the extensive functional usage of the term.  I have always associated a snapshot with a point in time, not a duration - but this may be an incorrect association.
>>
>> I am open to discussing it, but my initial inclination was negative towards it.
>>
>> Will we use the same definition as we have been using for BOB?
>>
>> --Stephan
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:52 AM, "Reza B'Far"<reza.bfar@oracle.com>   wrote:
>>
>>> I second the term "Snapshot".  This term also has functional usage in several commercial application categories used within roughly the same meaning.
>>>
>>> On 7/24/11 3:45 AM, Khalid Belhajjame wrote:
>>>> Hi Stephan,
>>>>
>>>> Given the example you gave in your previous email, I think that "EntitySpanshot" or "Snapshot" should be fine, given that it reflect the fact that it is a description of an entity that holds for some period of time.
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>
>>>> khalid
>>>>
>>>> On 23/07/2011 20:24, Stephan Zednik wrote:
>>>>> I do not feel that EntityInstance, EntityInstantiation, or InstantiatedEntity make sense for the book ownership scenario, or any scenario modeling the provenance of changes in characteristics of a physical object.
>>>>>
>>>>> To reiterate the example since I haven't committed it to a wiki page yet.  Book X is an entity that represents a real world object.  It can be put on a shelf, loaned to friends, damaged, and/or destroyed.  It has important characteristics (condition, ownership, location, etc) that may change over the life of the book.  We may want to represent the provenance of the book as a chain of ownership.
>>>>>
>>>>> |<----------------------------------------------------- Book X ----------------------------------------------------------------->|
>>>>> |<!------ Book X with owner A ---->|<----Book X with owner B ---->|<---- Book X with owner A --------->|
>>>>>
>>>>> If a book changes ownership, is the "book with changed ownership" a different EntityInstance?  A different InstantiatedEntity?  I don't think what we current call a BOB is an 'instance of' anything.  I think of it as a description of an entity that holds for some time period (not necessarily given) for which contextually important mutable characteristics of the the entity are held to be known.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Stephan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/22/2011 5:29 AM, Curt Tilmes wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/22/2011 03:43 AM, Khalid Belhajjame wrote:
>>>>>>> The term "Snapshot" was suggested some time ago, and it seems that
>>>>>>> several people did like it.
>>>>>>> We can also use the term "EntitySnapshot".
>>>>>> Following from snapshot:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EntityInstance
>>>>>> EntityInstantiation
>>>>>> InstantiatedEntity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>


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