Re: Feedback (Re: [all] Call for consensus on disambiguation [ACTION-181])

2012/9/7 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

> Hi Felix,
>
> Am 06.09.2012 20:54, schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>
>  Some people said that we should also drop the "its-disambig-level"
>> attribute. The three values "lexicalConcept", "ontologyConcept" and
>> "entity" are just too hard to justify.
>>
>
> Well, it is obvious that you can not represent *all* NLP layers with three
> values.  One problem seems to be the distinction between
> its-­‐target-­‐type-­‐ref
>  and its-­‐disambig-­‐level. Target type ref gives the concrete type of
> the annotation, while disambig level is more coarse grained and on a meta
> level.
>
> In some cases, level is implied by type:
> http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place> -> "entity"
>
> http://purl.org/vocabularies/**princeton/wn30/synset-Dublin-**noun-1<http://purl.org/vocabularies/princeton/wn30/synset-Dublin-noun-1>with type:
> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/**wn20/schema/NounSynset<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/schema/NounSynset>-> "lexicalConcept"
>
> So currently, disambigLevel is more of a coarse-grained type.
> Maybe we just use its-target-type for strings and its-target-type-ref?
>
> On the other hand, I had the impression that this coarse grained type are
> really useful and practical and it can really help to put the target type
> information into boxes fast.
> One proposal would be to limit disambigLevel to coarse-grained types:
>
> In the semantic web world, there are probably 2-5 relevant classes for
> each level,
> so "entity" could be one of:  foaf:Person, http://dbpedia.org/class/yago/*
> *Entity100001740 <http://dbpedia.org/class/yago/Entity100001740>,
> http://www.opengis.net/gml/_**Feature<http://www.opengis.net/gml/_Feature>
> while "lexicalConcept" can be one of: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/**
> wn20/schema/Synset <http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/schema/Synset>,
> http://www.monnet-project.eu/**lemon#LexicalSense<http://www.monnet-project.eu/lemon#LexicalSense>
> ontologyConcept is more difficult maybe skos:Concept ?
> This grounding/mapping can be done quite fast and is easy to maintain.
> Alternatively, data producer could either use the types directly or we
> provide such a mapping. This would produce an easy to handle and robust
> infrastructure.
>
> More comments below.
>
>
>  A lot of discussion during the seminar was related to existing ISO
>> standards like LAF/MAF/GrAF. So far we haven't yet taken the effort to see
>> what could be re-used from this realm.
>>
>> Finally, we were asked whether we have looked into the work of the open
>> annotations community group
>> http://www.w3.org/community/**openannotation/<http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/>
>> and (along the lines of LAF/MAF/GrAF) whether there is something we could
>> re-use.
>>
>>  From this I am wondering whether somebody would take actions to talk to
>> LAF/MAF/GrAF people, and the openannotation group? For the former, I would
>> recommend  Christian Chiarcos "christian.chiarcos@web.de" as a contact,
>> but
>> there may be others.
>>
>
> These two communities have quite a different scope and their efforts seem
> very far-stretched.  For LAF/GrAF I would recommend that somebody with
> superb XML knowledge has a quick look at the ISO standard. I think, you can
> quickly see how this is not relevant for this group. The main focus of
> LAF/GrAF is to represent multi-layers of annotations in a graph and encode
> that into XML.
> You might as well start looking at UIMA CAS XML, Gate XML, and TCF by
> Clarin. I am not sure, what the open annotation community will say about
> this, they have other annotation targets and use cases: e.g. annotating
> images or web sites with user comments.
>
> Instead of asking more academics, I really hoped, we would ask somebody
> from industry, now. The list of relevant tools can be found here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Knowledge_extraction#Tools<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_extraction#Tools>
> I can forward ask my colleague Ali Khalili  (who implemented
> http://rdface.aksw.org/lite/**test/tinymce/examples/rdface_**lite.html<http://rdface.aksw.org/lite/test/tinymce/examples/rdface_lite.html>) to check whether Spotlight, OpenCalais, Alchemy, Extractiv, Evri, Saplo
> and Lupedia can produce this information and whether they produce something
> else that might be important.  I can also offer to establish a contact to
> Semantic Web Company, Zemanta and Ontos about the proposal. Raphael and
> Giuseppe might know more people.
>

That would be ... just great.

Best,

Felix


>
> All the best,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
>
>> It's important - that was also mentioned - that we get feedback of these
>> and other groups before going to last call, to avoid surprises.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>  2012/8/30 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-**leipzig.de<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>> >
>>>
>>>  Sounds like a very good solution to me, simple, clear and absolutely
>>>> sufficient.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> Am 30.08.2012 16:29, schrieb Tadej Stajner:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>>> Co-existence of disambiguaton is not that important - I also can't
>>>>> justify a real use case for it. The point is more about specifying what
>>>>> level we're disambiguating on. I'm in favor of keeping the
>>>>> disambigLevel
>>>>> solution and not introducing a new set of attributes, trading off
>>>>> coexistence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also propose a different solution for the 'disambigSource' and
>>>>> 'entityTypeSource' scenario, which are mostly redundant in RDF: the
>>>>> user
>>>>> can use either only a disambigIdentRef to specify a URI for the target
>>>>> entity, or a pair of disambigSource and disambigIdent strings in order
>>>>> to
>>>>> cover use cases, where the meanings don't have addressable URIs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Major differences:
>>>>> * entityType -> generalize to targetType, cover all levels;
>>>>> * disambigType -> rename to disambigLevel, change constants from
>>>>> literals to URIs.
>>>>> * disambigSource* -> disambigSource, restrict usage to disambiguating
>>>>> with non-URI identifiers
>>>>> * disambigIdentRef -> disambigIdentRef* for URI identifier +
>>>>> disambigIdent for local identifiers in the scope of a disambigSource
>>>>> * entityTypeSource* -> dropped
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Tadej
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2012 5:01 PM, Sebastian Hellmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>> digging to the core of the problem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many layers of annotations do you need? entity, dictionaryEntry,
>>>>>> lexicalMeaning, pragmaticMeaning,  some other layer ... The problem
>>>>>> is that
>>>>>> the XML attribute data structure is not appropriate to handle this
>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>> information. So we really need to decide how many layers we need. If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> were to leave this open, I would suggest:
>>>>>> its-disambig-type-ref-1, its-entity-type-ident-ref-1 ,
>>>>>> its-disambig-type-ref-2, its-entity-type-ident-ref-2,
>>>>>> its-disambig-type-ref-3, its-entity-type-ident-ref-3, ....
>>>>>> But that is not XML-like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So question is for how many levels/layers do we require coexistence?
>>>>>> Otherwise its-disambig-type-ref would be sufficient to give the
>>>>>> level/layer
>>>>>> (even more fine grained informationm, e.g. an entity of type place) .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding isDefinedBy : It is recommended to use it, but, of course,
>>>>>> you don't go to prison, if you forget it ;) Especially with # - OWL
>>>>>> classes, isDefinedBy is not necessary, as the # part is cut away for
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> retrieval request, anyhow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 20.08.2012 12:11, schrieb Tadej Štajner:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi, Pablo,
>>>>>>> correct. The feedback I got was that this distinction is very
>>>>>>> important, but I can't think of an example with the scenario you
>>>>>>> mention.
>>>>>>> Perhaps for spans where one is contained within the other, such as
>>>>>>> assigning a lexical meaning to a word, while the whole phrase is an
>>>>>>> entity,
>>>>>>> for example 'agriculture' in 'Ministry of agriculture'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it boils down to this: could this property be reliably
>>>>>>> inferred from the target itself? For instance, if someone points to
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/****wn20/instances/worsense-**<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/**wn20/instances/worsense-**>
>>>>>>> capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.**org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/**
>>>>>>> worsense-capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/worsense-capital-noun-3>>-
>>>>>>> can we expect that is definitely a case of lexical disambiguation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Tadej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20. 08. 2012 11:42, Pablo N. Mendes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      I would suggest  to merge "its-entity-type-ident-ref" into
>>>>>>>>      "its-disambig-type-ref".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I understand correctly this is the same proposal I made at the
>>>>>>>> call?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "<pablomendes> wrt. its:disambigType = (word | entity) can't the
>>>>>>>> distinction between word and entity be inferred from entityTypeRef?
>>>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>>> wiktionary:doc is a word, dbpedia:Dog is an entity" [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, this is the answer that Tadej gave:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "tadej: disambiguation use cases are often used in cases where text
>>>>>>>> is short and lacks context
>>>>>>>> ... and computational lingusitic community draw a clear distinction
>>>>>>>> ebtween lexical and conceptual meaning" [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps one way to test how strong is this requirement would be to
>>>>>>>> think of use cases where one could assign both lexical and
>>>>>>>> conceptual
>>>>>>>> meaning to the same span.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Pablo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-****mlw-lt-minutes.html<http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-**mlw-lt-minutes.html>
>>>>>>>> <http://**www.w3.org/2012/07/26-mlw-lt-**minutes.html<http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>>> fsasaki@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      2012/8/20 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-**
>>>>>>>> leipzig.de <hellmann@informatik.uni-**leipzig.de<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>      <mailto:hellmann@informatik.****uni-leipzig.de<http://uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> <hellmann@**informatik.uni-leipzig.de<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Hi Felix,
>>>>>>>>          your proposal is based on the assumption, that more data is
>>>>>>>>          available at these three URLs:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          http:/nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/****wn20/instances/worsense-**<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/**wn20/instances/worsense-**>
>>>>>>>> capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.**org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/**
>>>>>>>> worsense-capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/worsense-capital-noun-3>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          While this assumption is ok for the Semantic Web, I am not
>>>>>>>>          sure about the ITS world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      You are right that in the "ITS world" one cannot be sure that
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>      data is available. But I would argue that implementors who
>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>      links also in the ITS world very likely need to know (not
>>>>>>>>      automatically, but as a prerequisite for implementation ) what
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>      URL is about. So I'd rather encourage implementors towards that
>>>>>>>>      "Semantic Web like" approach than defining so many attributes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Feedback from the people who want to process "disambiguation"
>>>>>>>>      without Semantic Web processing is of course very important
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Furthermore, if you are attempting to minimize it, I would
>>>>>>>>          suggest  to merge
>>>>>>>>          "its-entity-type-ident-ref" into "its-disambig-type-ref".
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>          wouldn't be limited to entity types and could use any of:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Makes sense to me, thanks for the proposal - let's see what
>>>>>>>> Tadej
>>>>>>>>      and others say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          - http:/nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          - http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          - http://www.monnet-project.eu/****lemon#LexicalSense<http://www.monnet-project.eu/**lemon#LexicalSense>
>>>>>>>> <http://**www.monnet-project.eu/lemon#**LexicalSense<http://www.monnet-project.eu/lemon#LexicalSense>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          - http://www.monnet-project.eu/****lemon#LexicalEntry<http://www.monnet-project.eu/**lemon#LexicalEntry>
>>>>>>>> <http://**www.monnet-project.eu/lemon#**LexicalEntry<http://www.monnet-project.eu/lemon#LexicalEntry>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/***
>>>>>>>> *wndatamodel#NounWordSense<http://wordnet.princeton.edu/**wndatamodel#NounWordSense>
>>>>>>>> <htt**p://wordnet.princeton.edu/**wndatamodel#NounWordSense<http://wordnet.princeton.edu/wndatamodel#NounWordSense>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>          - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/****wndatamodel#Synset<http://wordnet.princeton.edu/**wndatamodel#Synset>
>>>>>>>> <http://**wordnet.princeton.edu/**wndatamodel#Synset<http://wordnet.princeton.edu/wndatamodel#Synset>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          All the best,
>>>>>>>>          Sebastian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Am 20.08.2012 09:44, schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              Hi Sebastian, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              thanks, Sebastian. From what you say in the wiki and in
>>>>>>>>              the previous mail,
>>>>>>>>              I think one could simplify things a lot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              The HTML example from Tadej *could* look like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              <html lang="en">
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  <head>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     <meta charset="utf-8" />
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     <title>Entity: Local Test</title>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  </head>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  <body>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      <p><span
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> its-entity-type-ident-ref="****http:/nerd.eurecom.fr/****
>>>>>>>> ontology#Place <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place><
>>>>>>>> http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>              <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> its-disambig-ident-ref="http:/****/dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin**<
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> ">**Dublin</span>
>>>>>>>>              is the <span
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              its-disambig-ident-ref="
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/****wn20/instances/worsense-**<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/**wn20/instances/worsense-**>
>>>>>>>> capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.**org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/**
>>>>>>>> worsense-capital-noun-3<http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/worsense-capital-noun-3>
>>>>>>>> >">**capital</span>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              of Ireland.</p>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  </body>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              </html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              That is, no explicit "resource" references for entity
>>>>>>>> type and
>>>>>>>>              disambiguation source, and no disambig-type.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              Also, I think one could get rid of adding this kind of
>>>>>>>>              information via
>>>>>>>>              global rules - I really don't see a use case for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              Tadej, others, thoughts? Maybe Yves as one of the
>>>>>>>>              implementors processing
>>>>>>>>              the output and other have some thoughts too?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              2012/8/17 Sebastian Hellmann
>>>>>>>>              <hellmann@informatik.uni-**lei**pzig.de<http://leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> <hellmann@informatik.**uni-leipzig.de<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <mailto:hellmann@informatik.****uni-leipzig.de<http://uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> <hellmann@**informatik.uni-leipzig.de<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  Dear Felix,
>>>>>>>>                  to solve this issue I prepared a page:
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/******DBpedia_Spotlight<http://wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/****DBpedia_Spotlight>
>>>>>>>> <http://**wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/****DBpedia_Spotlight<http://wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/**DBpedia_Spotlight>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://**wiki.nlp2rdf.org/**wiki/DBpedia_**Spotlight<http://wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/DBpedia_**Spotlight>
>>>>>>>> <http:**//wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/**DBpedia_Spotlight<http://wiki.nlp2rdf.org/wiki/DBpedia_Spotlight>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  It is a rough draft, so there are many mistakes,
>>>>>>>>                  still. Once it is mature,
>>>>>>>>                  I will send it to the DBpedia Spotlight and Apache
>>>>>>>>                  Stanbol lists to get
>>>>>>>>                  their feedback.
>>>>>>>>                  Note that I don't have a problem with these
>>>>>>>> properties
>>>>>>>>                  as XML attributes,
>>>>>>>>                  where they can naturally occur only once and
>>>>>>>> encoding
>>>>>>>>                  an implicit
>>>>>>>>                  dependency (attribute refering to another
>>>>>>>> attribute)
>>>>>>>>                  is unproblematic. They
>>>>>>>>                  are, however, difficult to handle in RDF, even when
>>>>>>>>                  declaring them
>>>>>>>>                  functional.
>>>>>>>>                  I will report back, if there are any news,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  All the best,
>>>>>>>>                  Sebastian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  Am 14.08.2012 21:34, schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      Hi Sebastian, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      August is taking its tribute ... I am
>>>>>>>> wondering if
>>>>>>>>                      there any thoughts on
>>>>>>>>                      Sebastian's mail below. It seems that some of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                      proposed ITS attributes
>>>>>>>>                      are not needed, but I don't have the
>>>>>>>> competence to
>>>>>>>>                      evaluate this. Thoughts
>>>>>>>>                      from others?  Sebastian, could you confirm that
>>>>>>>>                      the output mentioned in
>>>>>>>>                      this other thread
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/******Public/public-****
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb-**<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-**multilingualweb-**>
>>>>>>>> <http://**lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-multilingualweb-*
>>>>>>>> ***<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-multilingualweb-**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> lt/2012Aug/0168.html<http://****lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/****<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/**>
>>>>>>>> public-multilingualweb-lt/****2012Aug/0168.html<http://**
>>>>>>>> lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/**public-multilingualweb-lt/**
>>>>>>>> 2012Aug/0168.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0168.html>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      is correct for NIF? I then would create a test
>>>>>>>>                      case for our test suite,
>>>>>>>>                      see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/******Public/public-****
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb-**<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-**multilingualweb-**>
>>>>>>>> <http://**lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-multilingualweb-*
>>>>>>>> ***<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-multilingualweb-**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> lt-tests/2012Aug/0003.html<**htt**p://lists.w3.org/**Archives/**<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Public/public-multilingualweb-****lt-tests/2012Aug/0003.html<h**
>>>>>>>> ttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-multilingualweb-**
>>>>>>>> lt-tests/2012Aug/0003.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2012Aug/0003.html>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                      Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012 schrieb Sebastian
>>>>>>>>                      Hellmann :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                        Hi Felix,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          below mostly my opinion on this. Nothing,
>>>>>>>>                          wrong with including these
>>>>>>>>                          properties, but they might not make sense
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>                          RDF. If you think, that
>>>>>>>>                          there
>>>>>>>>                          are people who would really use these
>>>>>>>>                          properties in RDF, then go ahead
>>>>>>>>                          and
>>>>>>>>                          include them. Personally, *I* wouldn't know
>>>>>>>>                          for what *I* could use them.
>>>>>>>>                          More comments inline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Am 09.08.2012 15 <tel:09.08.2012%2015>:20,
>>>>>>>>                          schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                            its:entityTypeSourceRef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                I really do not find this property
>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Do you see any sense in saying that
>>>>>>>>                          http://dbpedia.org/resource/********<http://dbpedia.org/resource/******>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/****<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>                          Dublin
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/******Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          resource/Dublin
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >>>is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          http://dbpedia.org ? In the linked data
>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>                          http://dbpedia.org/resource/
>>>>>>>>                          **Dublin
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/******Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/****resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          comes from
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/********Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/******Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/****Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/****resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/**resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >**><
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/******Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/****resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >>>**.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          So you might specify a way to convert that
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>                          ITS, but we might not need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          an RDF property for this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             its:disambigType
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "(http://www.w3.org/2005/11/********its/lexicalConcept|<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/******its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> <http:/**/www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2005/11/********its/lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/******its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> <http:**//www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http:/**/www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>>> <http:**//www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://**www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> <http:**//www.w3.org/2005/11/its/****lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> <http:/**/www.w3.org/2005/11/its/****lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http:**//www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>>> <http:/**/www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**lexicalConcept%7C<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/lexicalConcept%7C>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/********ontologyConcept|http://****<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/******ontologyConcept%7Chttp://**>
>>>>>>>> www.**w3.**<http://www.w3.org/**2005/11/its/******
>>>>>>>> ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.****w3.**<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/****ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.**w3.**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2005/11/****its/****ontologyConcept%**
>>>>>>>> 7Chttp://www.**w3.**<http://**www.w3.org/2005/11/its/******
>>>>>>>> ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.****w3.**<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/****ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.**w3.**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://**www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/****ontologyConcept%**
>>>>>>>>> 7Chttp://www.**<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/****ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.**>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> w3.**<http://www.w3.org/2005/**11/its/**ontologyConcept%**
>>>>>>>> 7Chttp://www.w3.**<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.w3.**>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> org/2005/11/its/<http://www.******w3.org/2005/11/its/**<http:/**
>>>>>>>> /w3.org/2005/11/its/** <http://w3.org/2005/11/its/**>>
>>>>>>>> <http://w3.org/2005/11/its/**>
>>>>>>>> ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.******w3.org/2005/11/its/
>>>>>>>> <http://w3.org/2005/11/its/><**h**ttp://www.w3.org/2005/11/**its/**<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**>
>>>>>>>> ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.****w3.org/2005/11/its/<http://**
>>>>>>>> www.w3.org/2005/11/its/**ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.**
>>>>>>>> w3.org/2005/11/its/<http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/ontologyConcept%7Chttp://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              entity)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                I am unsure about this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             its:entityTypeRef
>>>>>>>>                          is already rdf:type, so it would be a
>>>>>>>>                          duplicate to have its:entityTypeRef
>>>>>>>>                          in RDF. For
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/********Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/******Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**resource/****Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/****Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/****resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/**resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/**Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >**>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/******resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/****resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/**resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              its:**entityTypeRef would be one of:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology/********PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/******PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/ontology/******PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/**ontology/****PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> <ht**tp://dbpedia.org/ontology/****PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.**org/****ontology/PopulatedPlace<http:/****
>>>>>>>> /dbpedia.org/ontology/****PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.**org/ontology/PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology/********Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/******Settlement>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.**org/ontology/****Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****Settlement>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.**org/**ontology/**Settlement<http://**
>>>>>>>> dbpedia.org/ontology/****Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Settlement>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/******ontology/Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/****ontology/Settlement>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/**ontology/**Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/Settlement>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/**ontology/**Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Settlement>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/ontology/**Settlement<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Settlement>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/********PopulatedPlace<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/******PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.**org/umbel/rc/******PopulatedPlace<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.**org/umbel/rc/****PopulatedPlace<http://umbel.**
>>>>>>>> org/umbel/rc/**PopulatedPlace<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**PopulatedPlace>
>>>>>>>> >**>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.**org/umbel/rc/****PopulatedPlace<http://umbel.****
>>>>>>>> org/umbel/rc/PopulatedPlace<ht**tp://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**
>>>>>>>> PopulatedPlace <http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/PopulatedPlace>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology/********Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/******Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/****Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/****ontology/**Place<http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/**Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://**dbpedia.org/ontology/**Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Place>
>>>>>>>> >>**<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          http://dbpedia.org/ontology/******Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/**Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/ontology/****Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/**Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/**ontology/Place<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/********Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/******Village>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/****Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Village>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/****Village<http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/**Village>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/**Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Village>
>>>>>>>> >><
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/******Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Village>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/**Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Village>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Village>
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/**umbel/rc/Village<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/Village>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/********Location_Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/******Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> <http**://umbel.org/umbel/rc/******Location_Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http:/**/umbel.org/umbel/rc/******Location_Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> <htt**p://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http:/**/umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_**Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_**Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> <htt**p://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_**Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/Location_**Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_**Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_**Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> <http**://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_**Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/Location_**Underspecified>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://umbel.org/umbel/rc/****Location_Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/**Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>>> <http:**//umbel.org/umbel/rc/Location_**Underspecified<http://umbel.org/umbel/rc/Location_Underspecified>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          http://schema.org/Place
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#********Thing<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#******Thing>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#****Thing<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#****Thing>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/**owl#**Thing<http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#**Thing>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#**Thing<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#**Thing>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/****owl#Thing<http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/**owl#Thing>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/****2002/07/owl#Thing<http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#Thing>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/**owl#Thing<http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#Thing>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2002/07/owl#Thing<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#Thing>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.opengis.net/gml/_********Feature<http://www.opengis.net/gml/_******Feature>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.**opengis.net/gml/_****Feature<http://www.opengis.net/gml/_****Feature>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.opengis.**net/gml/**_**Feature<http://www.opengis.**
>>>>>>>> net/gml/_**Feature <http://www.opengis.net/gml/_**Feature>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.opengis.**net/gml/****_Feature<http://www.opengis.****
>>>>>>>> net/gml/_Feature <http://www.opengis.net/gml/_**Feature<http://www.opengis.net/gml/_Feature>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>                          +
>>>>>>>> http:/nerd.eurecom.fr/********ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/******ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/********ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/******ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://eurecom.**fr/ontology#Place<http://eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://eurecom.fr/ontology#****Place<http://eurecom.fr/ontology#**Place>
>>>>>>>> <http://eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place<http://eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/****ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/**ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nerd.**eurecom.fr/ontology#Place<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          If you have a Problem with this plurality.
>>>>>>>>                          Then it might be good to
>>>>>>>>                          include an annotation property
>>>>>>>>                           its:preferedEntityTypeRef
>>>>>>>>                          So the data is there already in RDF, the
>>>>>>>>                          problem is rather to find a way
>>>>>>>>                          to convert it back to ITS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          All the best,
>>>>>>>>                          Sebastian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          2012/8/9 Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org
>>>>>>>>                          <mailto:fsasaki@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Thanks for this, Tadej, looks good.
>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>                          is just one comment I don't
>>>>>>>>                          see
>>>>>>>>                          reflected:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          7) A question on the data category in
>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>                          and the "rules" element:
>>>>>>>>                          does it make sense to make some attributes
>>>>>>>>                          mandatory? Currently, this
>>>>>>>>                          would
>>>>>>>>                          be valid:
>>>>>>>>                          <its:disambiguation
>>>>>>>> selector="/text/body/p[@id='********dublin']/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          It seems that still all metadata items /
>>>>>>>>                          attributes are optional. Is
>>>>>>>>                          there
>>>>>>>>                          a way to be more specific about what must
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>                          must not appear together,
>>>>>>>>                          what
>>>>>>>>                          is optional etc?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          2012/8/9 Tadej Stajner <
>>>>>>>> tadej.stajner@ijs.si
>>>>>>>> <mailto:tadej.stajner@ijs.si>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                               Hi,
>>>>>>>>                              thanks for the tips. I covered them,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>                          agree towards removing the
>>>>>>>>                          local XPath, since it has very limited use.
>>>>>>>>                          Here is another incorporating
>>>>>>>>                          all these comments.
>>>>>>>>                          -- Tadej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          On 8/3/2012 1:07 PM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Hi Tadej, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              thanks a lot for this. Just a few
>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>>                          / questions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              1) About "The information applies to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                          textual content of the
>>>>>>>>                          element, including child elements and
>>>>>>>>                          attributes.": wouldn't it make more
>>>>>>>>                          sense to say that this applies to only the
>>>>>>>>                          content of the element? E.g.
>>>>>>>>                          if
>>>>>>>>                          you annotate the "span" element in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              <p>I have seen <span id="timbl"><span
>>>>>>>>                          class="firstame">Tim</span>
>>>>>>>>                          <span
>>>>>>>> class="lastname">Berners-Lee</********span></span>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          in the olympics opening
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          ceremony</p>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              You want to express disambiguation
>>>>>>>>                          information about the "span"
>>>>>>>>                          element
>>>>>>>>                          with the "id" attribute, but not about the
>>>>>>>>                          "id" attribute or the nested
>>>>>>>>                          span elements. So inheritance probably
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>                          be: "There is no
>>>>>>>>                          inheritance". What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              2) About "The Entity data category can
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>                          expressed with global rules,
>>>>>>>>                          or locally on an individual element.": This
>>>>>>>>                          should probably be "The
>>>>>>>>                          Disambiguation data category can be
>>>>>>>> expressed
>>>>>>>>                          with global rules, or
>>>>>>>>                          locally
>>>>>>>>                          on an individual element."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              3) About local markup: for other data
>>>>>>>>                          categories, we don't have the
>>>>>>>>                          "pointer" attributes as local markup, since
>>>>>>>>                          processing of XPath in local
>>>>>>>>                          markup can be very expensive. So I would
>>>>>>>>                          propose to drop the local
>>>>>>>>                          pointer
>>>>>>>>                          attributes here too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              4) In the table at the end, "Global
>>>>>>>>                          pointing to existing information"
>>>>>>>>                          should be "yes" I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              5) This selector
>>>>>>>>                          <its:disambiguation
>>>>>>>>                          selector="/text/body/p/#********dublin"
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          In XPath should be
>>>>>>>>                          <its:disambiguation
>>>>>>>> selector="/text/body/p[@id='********dublin']
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              6) To follow the conventions from other
>>>>>>>>                          data categories, the
>>>>>>>>                          "its:disambiguation" element should
>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>                          be called
>>>>>>>>                          "its:disambiguationRule".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              7) A question on the data category in
>>>>>>>>                          general and the "rules" element:
>>>>>>>>                          does it make sense to make some attributes
>>>>>>>>                          mandatory? Currently, this
>>>>>>>>                          would
>>>>>>>>                          be valid:
>>>>>>>>                          <its:disambiguation
>>>>>>>> selector="/text/body/p[@id='********dublin']/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              8) A question to the others in this
>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>                          (Guiseppe, Pablo, Raphael,
>>>>>>>>                          Sebastian): is this a representation that
>>>>>>>>                          makes sense to you and that
>>>>>>>>                          your
>>>>>>>>                          tools could produce?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              9) A question to the MT guys: is the
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>                          "entity and disambiguation"
>>>>>>>>                          information is represented here useful for
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              Felix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          2012/8/3 Tadej Štajner <
>>>>>>>> tadej.stajner@ijs.si
>>>>>>>> <mailto:tadej.stajner@ijs.si>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Hi,
>>>>>>>>                          I incorporated some comments that 'entity'
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>                          still conflated from
>>>>>>>>                          several distinct things in the data
>>>>>>>> category
>>>>>>>>                          proposal. Now, we
>>>>>>>>                          distinguish
>>>>>>>>                          between disambiguation of word sense,
>>>>>>>> ontology
>>>>>>>>                          concept and entity
>>>>>>>>                          instance.
>>>>>>>>                          Following that, it seems that
>>>>>>>> 'Disambiguation'
>>>>>>>>                          was the better name for
>>>>>>>>                          the
>>>>>>>>                          data category.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Thanks for everyone's input!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          -- Tadej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          On 02. 08. 2012 17
>>>>>>>> <tel:02.%2008.%202012%2017>:****26, Tadej Štajner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Apologies -- wrong link on the previous
>>>>>>>>                          mail. This is the relevant one:
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/********International/multilingualweb/******<http://www.w3.org/******International/multilingualweb/****>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/******International/multilingualweb/****<http://www.w3.org/****International/multilingualweb/**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> **lt/track/actions/181<http://****www.w3.org/**International/****<http://www.w3.org/**International/**>
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb/**lt/track/****actions/181<http://www.w3.org/**
>>>>>>>> **International/**multilingualweb/**lt/track/**actions/181<http://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**lt/track/actions/181>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://**www.w3.org/****International/******
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb/lt/track/**<http://www.w3.org/**International/****multilingualweb/lt/track/**>
>>>>>>>> <ht**tp://www.w3.org/International/****multilingualweb/lt/track/**<http://www.w3.org/International/**multilingualweb/lt/track/**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/****International/******
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb/lt/track/**<http://www.w3.org/**International/****multilingualweb/lt/track/**>
>>>>>>>> <ht**tp://www.w3.org/International/****multilingualweb/lt/track/**<http://www.w3.org/International/**multilingualweb/lt/track/**>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> actions/181<http://www.w3.org/****International/**
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb/**<http://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**>
>>>>>>>> lt/track/actions/181<http://**www.w3.org/International/**
>>>>>>>> multilingualweb/lt/track/**actions/181<http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/181>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          -- Tadej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          On 02. 08. 2012 17
>>>>>>>> <tel:02.%2008.%202012%2017>:****22, Tadej Štajner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>>>>>>>                          Department of Computer Science, University
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>                          Leipzig
>>>>>>>>                          Events:
>>>>>>>>                              *
>>>>>>>> http://sabre2012.infai.org/********mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/******mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.**infai.org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.**
>>>>>>>> infai.org/**mlode <http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>>><
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          http://sabre2012.infai.org/******mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/**mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Leipzig,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                          Sept. 23-24-25, 2012)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                              * http://wole2012.eurecom.fr(*Deadline:
>>>>>>>>                          July 31st 2012*)
>>>>>>>>                          Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org ,
>>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org
>>>>>>>>                          Homepage:
>>>>>>>> http://bis.informatik.uni-******le**ipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>>>>>>>> <http://ipzig.de/****SebastianHellmann<http://ipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> <http://**ipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://ipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://**leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> <http://**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <htt**p://bis.informatik.uni-******leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> <http://leipzig.de/****SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> <http://**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://bis.**informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann<http://informatik.uni-leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> **<http://bis.informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                          Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  --
>>>>>>>>                  Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>>>>>>>                  Department of Computer Science, University of
>>>>>>>> Leipzig
>>>>>>>>                  Events:
>>>>>>>>                     * http://sabre2012.infai.org/******mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/**mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode>
>>>>>>>> >>(Leipzig,
>>>>>>>> Sept.
>>>>>>>>                  23-24-25, 2012)
>>>>>>>>                     * http://wole2012.eurecom.fr (*Deadline: July
>>>>>>>> 31st
>>>>>>>>                  2012*)
>>>>>>>>                  Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org
>>>>>>>>                  Homepage:
>>>>>>>> http://bis.informatik.uni-****le**ipzig.de/SebastianHellmann**<
>>>>>>>> http://leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://leipzig.de/****SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> <http://**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://bis.**informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann<http://informatik.uni-leipzig.de/**SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> **<http://bis.informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          --         Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>>>>>>>          Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>>>>>>>>          Events:
>>>>>>>>            * http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode>
>>>>>>>> <http://sabre2012.infai.**org/mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode>>(Leipzig,
>>>>>>>> Sept. 23-24-25,
>>>>>>>>          2012)
>>>>>>>>            * http://wole2012.eurecom.fr (*Deadline: July 31st
>>>>>>>> 2012*)
>>>>>>>>          Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org
>>>>>>>>          Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-**
>>>>>>>> leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<h**ttp://bis.informatik.uni-**
>>>>>>>> leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      --     Felix Sasaki
>>>>>>>>      DFKI / W3C Fellow
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Pablo N. Mendes
>>>>>>>> http://pablomendes.com
>>>>>>>> Events: http://wole2012.eurecom.fr <http://wole2012.eurecom.fr/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>>>> Events:
>>>>    * http://sabre2012.infai.org/****mlode<http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode><
>>>> http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode <http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode>>(Leipzig,
>>>> Sept. 23-24-25, 2012)
>>>>    * http://wole2012.eurecom.fr (*Deadline: July 31st 2012*)
>>>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org
>>>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-**le**ipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>> <htt**p://bis.informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
>>>> >
>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Felix Sasaki
>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
> Events:
>   * http://sabre2012.infai.org/**mlode <http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode>(Leipzig, Sept. 23-24-25, 2012)
>   * http://wole2012.eurecom.fr (*Deadline: July 31st 2012*)
> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org
> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-**leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann<http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann>
> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>
>
>


-- 
Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow

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